2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Good for him.

What's McCain's position on these issues?

nunn would be an interesting choice; something of a maverick in his own right.

hmm, http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/

has any candidate ever written TO gays so forthrightly? Without endorsing every one of Obama's strategy, I admire how he delineates the possible.

regardless of what he REALLY believes (and I have no idea what that is) I'm sure McCain will issue some homophobic broadside if necessary to shore up his conservative credentials

Alfred where did that letter appear...?

I can't remember reading that much text by a politician without encountering the word terrorism.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGgx87

^^^^^^^^^obama gets his 1,000,000th donor

It's important to remember that McCain himself will not be doing most of the firehosing of his opponent. There will be hundreds of surrogates, loose cannons and other volunteers willing to step up and do whatever nastiness anyone can conceive of in order to keep the Dems out of the White House. About 95% of the time McCain won't even know what's going down until it's already out there. He'll keep his hands pretty clean.

firehosing of his opponent.

interesting choice of words

O'Aimless

plus McCain gets to routinely scold the shitslingers and look better and more noble than they are, w/o doing anything to really rein them in, and enjoying their effect on the campaign.

Alfred where did that letter appear...?

Sullivan published it on his site an hour ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

lol hil l o l

no offense but yr the last one to be clowning ms cleo, nostradamus

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/29/40/22564029.jpg

ALRIGHT EVERYONE WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE TALK HERE - I AM A PATRIOTS FAN - MY PREDICTING A WIN IN THE SUPERBOWL IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS KNOW TO NORMAL HUMANS WHO DONT HANG OUT ON THE INTERNET ALL DAY AS "TALKING SHIT" AND IS NO WAY INDICATIVE OF MY PREDICTIVE POWERS WHICH ARE BEYOND REPROACH IN SITUATIONS THAT DONT INVOLVE SPORTS TEAMS I AM ACTIVELY ROUTING FOR TY

FU DEEJ ET AL

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/c/9/3c948f9a119d69fb49d95995e1e64d13.jpg

oops, my finger slipped

and if max deej and whatever other sort of douches would like to see me repeatedly and consistently predicting an obama win while everyone else was all lol hillays got it in the bag just go back and browse some threads bitches

lol 'et al'

I am still so so so so so happy the Patriots lost.

Un-patriotic to root against the Patriots? Maybe.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7629b522-e641-11dc-8398-0000779fd2ac.html

'concerns' on obama's shift to the left on economics

(re: trade)

I look forward to the continued GOP tactic of denouncing everything their party members' do

yeah ethan might be right about this becoming 1000s of 'macacas'

a thousand little racist points of light

if I was Obama I'd just say "That's my name, don't wear it out! HUH HUH!"

The latest FAIR alert is pretty concise and otm. it'll be a cakewalk for obama if he can crack this nut in the ge, i think the past will matter a great deal in the discourse:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3302

counterargument is that mccain was right about the surge when no one else was.

i don't think the ups and downs of the conflict count for as much anymore, most Americans are just generally fed up that we're there.

"right about the surge"

this surge's "success" is gonna last for about as long as we keep handing out $10/day to former insurgents, which I don't foresee lasting all that much longer. Frankly, I think all this "the surge is working!" hoohah overlooks some of the facts about how Iraq's instability has been directly tied to US internal politics, and that people like Muqtada Al-Sadr have a tendency to time their activities to when they will have the greatest impact on American policy. Think about it - its the summer 2008, you are a disenchanted Iraqi who wants to see the US out asap, and the US is currently in the middle of deciding whether to elect a president that will stay in Iraq or leave asap, what would you do to help ensure that the one who wants to leave gets elected... (I'm not sure I know the answer to this question myself, but these kinds of motivations don't seem to be considered by the punditocracy when discussing how well the "surge" is going)

i don't think the ups and downs of the conflict count for as much anymore, most Americans are just generally fed up that we're there.

^^^this should also be taken into account

five years after completely fucking a country, we've managed to temporarily make it slightly less fucked than it was six months ago. That's a real victory.

al-sadr just extended his cease fire

and that ain't got shit to do with any surge far as I can tell

this was hilarious btw

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/kingston-caught-without-american-flag-lapel-pin/

On MSNBC’s Live With Dan Abrams last night, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) said it was okay to “question” Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) patriotism because he doesn’t regularly wear an American flag lapel pin. Kingston claimed that “everybody” in politics “wears them.” Asked by Abrams if he was wearing one, Kingston had to admit he wasn’t, saying, “I will wear one and I have worn one.” Kingston then feigned ignorance about the irony between his criticism of Obama and his own lack of a lapel pin.

if he starts wearing a lapel pin, they'll probably make up some other shit like "Why does he refuse to wear the bald-eagle tie clip???

hahah. what a douchebag

i don't think the ups and downs of the conflict count for as much anymore, most Americans are just generally fed up that we're there.

-- tremendoid, Friday, February 29, 2008 12:02 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah this might be true

al-sadr just extended his cease fire

really? huh didn't see that. Interesting. I wonder if he's just biding his time for the US to leave and saving his ammo/cred for a major fight afterwards.

the funny thing about the surge and post-surge strategies is that it makes the Republicans sound like there is NO scenario in which its okay to pull out troops. Things are going bad? We've gotta stick it out and make it work! Things are going well? We can't leave, everything'll be fucked up if we do!

The party of eternal war

But everything is going to be fucked up when we leave.

everything was fucked up there to begin with. there are no win-win scenarios here.

"I have smashed this vase, so I have a moral duty to jump up and down on the shards until it's glued back together"

ok, maybe that's a little unfair.

You don't think Iraq would be better off if we stayed until 2012? Mccain might actually try to do that.

xpost yeah basically.

anyway this is off-topic i guess

not particularly. it seems to me like the various parties are holding their breaths to see how long the US will stay. When we leave, they'll start in at each others' throats (Saudis backing the Sunnis, Iran backing the Shi'a, nobody backing the Kurds who will be fighting Turkey, etc.). However, if a public commitment is made to stay indefinitely, then the motivation for those parties to hold their fire will evaporate, and shit will start up again, with the primary goal being to get the US out.

at least that's how I see it at the moment.