A Thread for Posting Brutally Pessimistic Quotes by Anguished Philosophers

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History and Utopia, it's a collection of essays, if you're looking for a little more than aphorisms.

Jena (JenaP), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:00 (twenty years ago)

"on the heights of despair" is a nice, aphoristic collection, written when he was quite young and is thus that much more entertainingly melodramatic in its despair. apparently 'on the heights of despair' was the standard formula for opening suicide obituaries in romanian newspapers.

cb, Friday, 13 January 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Haha, the first thing I thought after seeing the thread title was "E.M. Cioran."

Ha ha! Me too.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Somehow my adolescent gambit of trying to attract girls by acting disconsolate and carrying around books by Cioran in French never really worked that well, and when it worked at all, they were gloomy little things.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

The Cioran love is deeply gratifying. I had no idea he was such a hit on ILX.

ratty, Saturday, 14 January 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

i have never heard of this man.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:57 (twenty years ago)

"Forfeit the game
Before somebody else
Takes you out of the frame
Puts your name to shame
Cover up your face
You can't run the race
The pace is too fast
You just can't last"
-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

LoneNut, Saturday, 14 January 2006 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Here are some of the darker entries from Apollinaire's Bestiary:

The Mouse

Beautiful days, mice of time,
Bit by bit you gnaw my life away.
God! Soon I will have lived
Twenty-eight years, and badly.


The Carp

Carp, how long you live
In your crowded pools!
Fish of melancholy,
Does death forget you?


The Octopus

Spraying his ink toward heaven,
Sucking the blood from those he loves,
And finding it delicious:
This inhuman monster is myself.


The Dolphin

Dolphins, you play in the sea,
But the waves are always bitter.
Do I sometimes laugh with joy?
Life is still cruel.


The Lion

O lion, unhappy image
Of sadly fallen kings,
You are born now in a cage,
In Hamburg, among the Germans.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

A single sentence will suffice for modern man: he fornicated and read the papers.
-- Camus

What makes this band different from The Magnetic Fields is that any glimmer of hope is absolutely extinguished.
-- The Gothic Archies

Mike W (caek), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

"When I was seven, I wanted to live in a bathysphere."

dar1a g (daria g), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

More Kierkegaard

Alas, the door of fortune does not open inwards so that one can force it by charging at it; it opens outwards and so there is nothing one can do.


The best proof adduced of the wretchedness of life is that derived from contemplating its glory.


How empty life is and without meaning. We bury a man, we follow him to the grave, we throw three spades of earth on him, we ride out in a coach, we ride home in a coach, we take comfort in the thought that a long life awaits us. But how long is threescore years and ten? Why not finish it at once? Why not stay out there and step down into the grave with him, and draw lots for who should have the misfortune to be the last alive to throw the last three spades of earth on the last of the dead?

D.J. Anderson, Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

This is possibly my favorite thread ever.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Damn. I wish I had a copy of Journey to the End of the Night with me. There's at least one on every page.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

This Cioran dude sounds awful. I've never understood philosophies (like Buddhism) that basically say life ain't worth living. Stop breathing then! Me, I'd rather eat and fuck and dream and love as long as I have the chance.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm with you Tuomas. A remedy to those morbid lamentations is hedonism, the art of despising death.

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Hedonism is a morbid lamentation.

That I Could Clamber to the Frozen Moon and Draw the Ladder (Freud Junior), Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

We derive our vitality from our store of madness.
Emile M. Cioran

ratty, Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Hedonism is a morbid lamentation.

Ha! worthy of the man himself.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

No man is worthy of anything.

That I Could Clamber to the Frozen Moon and Draw the Ladder (Freud Junior), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

"I can't go on, you must go on, I'll go on" Samuel Beckett in 'The Unnameable"

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

There's a published collection of R. Crumb's letters entitled "Your Vigor For Life Appalls Me."

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

And a poem by Leonard Cohen called 'I'm fucking the dead ones now'.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
In November 1933, Cioran won a Humboldt doctoral grant to Berlin, where he quickly became a fan of Hitler. "I am absolutely enthralled by the political order they've set up here," he wrote to his friend Mircea Eliade, the future historian of religion, whose 1930s fascism and anti-Semitism also emerged most prominently after his death. "Some of our friends," Cioran advised pal Petru Comarnescu, "will believe that I've turned Hitlerist out of sheer opportunism. The truth is that I agree with many of the things I've seen here."

Nazism, Cioran wrote, possessed "greatness." Germans had a "need for a Führer," and Hitlerism constituted "a destiny for Germany." Cioran supported a similar dictatorship for his country and believed that "only terror, brutality, and endless anxiety are likely to bring about a change in Romania. All Romanians should be arrested and beaten to a pulp; this is the only way a shallow nation could make a name for itself." "Hitler's merit," insisted the young voice of vitalist barbarism, "consists in depriving his nation of a critical spirit."

http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=xzm8107fnyrw9nnrr3p3cwbm3mc04n21

,,, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
The only profitable conversations are with enthusiasts who have ceased being so-- with the ex-naïve. Calmed down at last, they have taken, willy-nilly, the decisive step toward knowledge-- that impersonal version of disappointment.

and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

life ain't nothing but bitches and money

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, I can't really abide staring at exceptionally beautiful women. The agony and torment of sexually desiring something one can never (rationally) hope to have is something I can never cope with.

-sorry, everyone :(

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ye are not eagles: thus have ye never experienced the happiness of
the alarm of the spirit. And he who is not a bird should not camp
above abysses.

Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

One day it was announced by Master Joshu that the young monk Kyogen had reached an enlightened state.
Much impressed by this news, several of his peers went to speak with him.
"We have heard that you are enlightened. Is this true?" his fellow students inquired.
"It is," Kyogen answered.
"Tell us," said a friend, "how do you feel?"
"As miserable as ever," replied the enlightened Kyogen.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

19 years and 7 months of staring at exceptionally beautiful women & sexually desiring something one can never (rationally) hope to have

and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

"It is always consoling to think of suicide: in that way one gets through many a bad night."

milo z (mlp), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

What, no Schopenhauer yet?

"It is the worst of all possible worlds ... if it were a little worse, it would be no longer capable of continuing to exist. Consequently, since a worse world could not continue to exist, it is absolutely impossible; and so this world itself is the worst of all possible worlds."

"There is no doubt that life is given to us, not to be enjoyed, but to be overcome - to be got over."

salexandra (salexander), Friday, 15 September 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Everything is a dangerous drug to me except reality, which is unendurable."

--Cyril Connolly

Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

More Kierkagaard:

Listen to the cry of a woman in labor at the hour of giving birth. Look at the dying man's struggle at his last extremity. Then tell me whether something that begins and ends thus could be intended for enjoyment.

Of course, he has plenty of optimistic ones, too:

To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily. Not to dare is to lose oneself.

Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
"To be reprimanded at work is the same as a spanking from your parents."

ANON

Latham Green (mike), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Dolphin

Dolphins, you play in the sea,
But the waves are always bitter.
Do I sometimes laugh with joy?
Life is still cruel.

OMG I used to have a woodcut print that had this poem (in french) with it. I don't think I knew it was Apollinaire, but I always loved it.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 January 2007 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
"No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one." - E.M. Cioran

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

i finally found a copy of that early cioran book - that he wrote when he was just a sweet young thing - at the dump and it is so amazing. so fucking funny. he would have been my god if i had read him in high school.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

it must mean something that the pessimistic philosphers always seem to be the funniest ones.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
revive just because this is one of my favorite threads ever

modestmickey, Sunday, 1 April 2007 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

my bipolar episoding sister helping me with my decision to move to SanFran. "think of it this way. its just one of a myriad of equally bad choices you could make." me: thank you.

SusanD, Sunday, 1 April 2007 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

Embarrassing confession: I've got almost everything of cioran's published in English, but I'm still not entirely sure how you pronounce his name. Can anyone offer a rough phonetic guide?

sonofstan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

"I always feel trapped in death hands.
wherever i turn - it's everywhere" (montaine)

Zeno, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

"it must mean something that the pessimistic philosphers always seem to be the funniest ones."


nietzsche! he could be so funny. so many great one-liners.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Actual Romanian pronunciation - Cho-run (like "chore")
French - Syo-run

amirite?

Jena, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

nietzsche's hilarious, but the last thing i'd call him is pessimistic.

max, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

he had his down days.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite, by Walter Benjamin:

A Klee painting named ‘Angelus Novus’ shows an angel looking as though he is about to move away from something he is fixedly contemplating. His eyes are staring, his mouth is open, his wings are spread. This is how one pictures the angel of history. His face is turned toward the past. Where we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing in from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such a violence that the angel can no longer close them. The storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. This storm is what we call progress.

M.V., Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

xpost actually i take that back ntz had a weird relationship w/ pessimism.

but he was no schopenhauer:

"But against the palpably sophistical proofs of Leibniz that this is the best of all possible worlds, we may even oppose seriously and honestly the proof that it is the worst of all possible worlds. For possible means not what we may picture in our imagination, but what can actually exist and last. Now this world is arranged as it had to be if it were to be capable of continuing with great difficulty to exist; if it were a little worse, it would be no longer capable of continuing to exist. Consequently, since a worse world could not continue to exist, it is absolutely impossible; and so this world itself is the worst of all possible worlds."

max, Sunday, 1 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

i love that one. the ending is like a punch-line. schop always make me laugh

ryan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

Who knows, maybe his philosophical viewpoint was caused by a bad diet. That's about how deep and meaningful things are in life, I've found.

larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 11:03 (nine years ago)

lots of things with simple causes can still be articulated spectacularly & profoundly, and something having a straightforward cause doesn't necessarily make it any more straightforward to deal with

ogmor, Thursday, 23 February 2017 11:43 (nine years ago)

three months pass...

"You've got forever; and somehow you can't do much with it. You've got forever; and it's a mile wide and an inch deep and full of alligators."

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:21 (nine years ago)

Jim Thompson

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:21 (nine years ago)

oooh I like that

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:35 (nine years ago)

seven months pass...

I was curious about the regard for Cioran in his homeland:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/45/36/9f/45369ffa1a48d1120144c62425fcb2ea.jpghttp://www.sculpture.ro/photos/1_1382548347.jpghttp://static4.evz.ro/image-gal-604/2014-11/bustul-lui-emil-cioran-in-rasinari.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/thumb/7/79/Emil_Cioran-bust.JPG/675px-Emil_Cioran-bust.JPG

Seriously doubt this would bring him any real pleasure, but perhaps a puckish chuckle.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:37 (eight years ago)

Top right is brutal. It's like the Eiffel tower with his head stuck on top.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:39 (eight years ago)

five months pass...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/09/scholarly-advice-for-dark-times

ryan, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:21 (seven years ago)

From a James Wood essay about Bohumil Hrabal:

Hrabal sometimes said that he rooted his comedy in one of his favourite findings, a dry-cleaner’s receipt, which read: ‘Some stains can be removed only by the destruction of the material itself.’

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 08:14 (seven years ago)

Ha

Et Dieu crea l' (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:20 (seven years ago)

one month passes...

Been reading Thacker's "Infinite Resignation"--and while I wasn't very impressed at first it has grown on me. Hopelessly "academic" (as that needless academic qualifier in the title gives away, even fucking resignation has to be xtreme now!), since it's as much about reading the great pessimists and thinking about pessimism as a form of thinking as it is an instance of the thing itself. Sometimes quotes from Cioran or whoever come up and they are bracing in their directness, which Thacker by contrast often places at a kind of theoretical remove--as if he's asking what it means to see the world this way rather than directly feeling it, maybe he's only tempted. Not always, of course,...though T's pessimism is very different from his (our?) heroes because it's so damn secular and prosaic...no "tears of the saints" here...Raises the question if there could be a "Book of Disquiet" for the hyper-connected 21st century...I think the disgust is there but not often those quiet solitary lost hours which seem to be the necessary environment for, say, Cioran envying the freedom of the stillborn...

ryan, Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

Nope, 37:40 evolved into Jackie Moore - This Time Baby (1979)

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

Wrong thread, sorry.

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

five months pass...

Satiation is the point at which you must face the existential revelation that you didn’t really want what you seemed so desperate to have, that your most urgent desires are only a filthy vitalist trick to keep the show on the road. If you can’t replace the fear or the thrill of the chase why stir yourself to persue yet another empty kill? Why carry on with the charade?

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:08 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

Nothing matters very much and few things matter at all

Arthur Balfour

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:27 (seven years ago)


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