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UK version apparently poo, rubly substituting shite talkie Abraham Lincoln for fantastic Orphans Of The Storm, which contains the best car* chase ever.

(* OK, so its really a carriage chase. Still nearly gave me a heart attack.)

Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the early hitchcock DVD set is grebt: tho they are mostly not silent

mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

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silent hitchcoct it had ivor novello

erik, Monday, 9 December 2002 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

PAH to crits who think the '20s were the peak of film art because they didn't have any of those messy words to get in the way - they wouldn't know genius if their asses got dropped in Duck Soup. YAY to all the individual films mentioned here that I've seen.

Not mentioned yet: von Stroheim's Greed (saw the 4hr reconstructed version in one of its very few theatrical screenings, es war InSaNe) and Lillian Gish's performance in The Wind.

B.Rad (Brad), Monday, 9 December 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I taped Greed from TCM, they show it regularly

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erik, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Charley Chase's "Mighty Like a Moose" is seriously like the funniest movie I've ever seen in my life. Up there with _Airplane!_ and _I'm the One That I Want_.

Douglas, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...
I just wrote a long message which my computer promptly gobbled up. Damn.

In any event, a precis: Search: VICTOR SJÖSTRÖM, the greatest director of silents there was. He made films in Sweden from 1912 to 1922 and in the U.S. from 1922 to 1928. If you can find them: Ingeborg Holm, Terje Vigen, The Girl from the Marsh Croft, The Outlaw and His Wife (available on NTSC VHS), Sons of Ingmar, The Monastery of Sendomir (available on PAL VHS), The Phantom Chariot aka The Phantom Carriage aka The Stroke of Midnight aka Thy Soul Shall Bear Witness (available on PAL VHS), Mortal Clay, He Who Gets Slapped, The Wind (easily available).

Search also: Fritz Lang (Destiny/The Three Lights, Dr. Mabuse the Gambler, The Nibelungen, Spies), Louis Feuillade (Les Vampires, Fantômas), Carl Dreyer (The Pardon's Widow, Michael, Thou Shalt Honor Thy Wife, The Passion of Joan of Arc), and anything you can find by Kenji Mizoguchi and Yasujiro Ozu. Those of you in London, keep your eyes peeled, it is a good town for silents.

Many American cities have silent film festivals. New York is of course one of the world's great film towns (Paris being an uncontested no. 1). Chicago is OK, there is a summer silent festival but the Film Center of the Art Institute passed up a recent Mauritz Stiller retrospective (he's another good Swedish filmmaker and the guy who discovered Garbo).

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

P.S. Vampyr is not a silent, but one could make the case it is not quite a talkie either.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

is this amateur interest or professional knowledge? you don't have to answer this off course (if you wish to remain "silent") i'm just curious. thanx anyway.

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so, right then, who do you fancy then?

erik, Wednesday, 1 January 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Just an amateur's interest. As I mentioned on another thread, I am a shamefaced dilettante.

I still have a backlog of world-conquering ambition (from my childhood you understand) to work past (to once and finally convince myself I have neither the tenacity nor the self-confidence to actually see through a film on my own), but once that's done I think I might be suited to the fields of film preservation and programming.

To veer back on-topic:

My favorite moments in Buster Keaton films, and perhaps in all silent films put together, are when Buster submits dutifully and without complaint to what he perceives to be the natural order of things. For instance in Steamboat Bill Jr. when after a succession of folllies involving people being hurled from a steamboat when someone steps in front of them, Buster simply leaps into the water when he sees that someone is approaching. Or in College, when after having knocked over a long succession of hurdles, Buster finally makes the last, he turns around, does a double take, and then with a faint sigh tips over the final hurdle and walks off.

The greatest silent comic though was Jacques Tati who never made a silent film. He was the center of his films, always silent or nearly so, with the madness of the modern world buzzing and creaking and crashing and whirring and dripping around him.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 January 2003 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)

That is until Playtime a film which has no center and which is thus quite possibly the greatest film ever made, at least a strong contender.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 January 2003 13:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What was that hyberbolic nonsense about? I am far too tired to be subjecting you to my thoughts if they can be called that. Ignore ignore ignore.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 January 2003 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
God I'm embarrassed to perhaps draw any more attention to my posts above, but anyways, I recently received a DVD called Mad Love which includes three roughly 50-minute films (Twilight of a Woman's Soul, After Death, and The Dying Swan) by Evgenii Bauer.

Bauer was a major director of the pre-Soviet era in Russian film, an era which was basically completely ignored until glasnost allowed some such films to seep out of the archives where they had been surprsingly well-preserved (those that survived, anyway--I think about 10-20%). He only made films for a few years (1913-17) before an early death but on the evidence of this DVD they were extraordinary. Bauer excelled at complex lighting effects, carefully coordinated tracking shots (very unusual for the time), deep staging, and really astonishingly vivid and terrifying dream sequences. He began as a stage designer and his sets are perhaps the most remarkable aspect of his cinema--they are often quite elaborate and frequently macabre in keeping with the morbid plots of the movies. (He really was Russian.)

The notes to the DVD assert that Bauer was the superior of contemporaries like Sjöström and Griffith. I don't buy that, esp. not in the case of Sjöström, but he's a great find nonetheless. The DVD also includes a 30-minute lesson in Bauer's style from Yuri Tsivian, a Russian film scholar who teaches at the University of Chicago. It's put out by the BFI and is Region 2. All of you in Europe might take a look at this.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Today I watched my favorite silent film so far. It was Herbier's L'Inhumaine. the tinting of the different scenes made almost color, and the sets were great. Moving machine parts, duck filled moats around dinner tables, etc. A really wonderful movie.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"I'm embarrassed to perhaps draw any more attention to my posts above"

don't be, your information is very valuable

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Where did you see L'Inhumaine? I had an opportunity to see this in Madison last year, as part of a conference on modernism and urbanity, but didn't make it. I know Noël Burch (American expat film theorist) is very fond of L'Herbier. There's a DVD of Eldorado which I've been tempted to try out--although I've heard it isn't his best work.

I really don't know French Impressionist cinema well at all, and it's hard to track stuff down.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it in the library at my school. They have a pretty good collection of videos that I can watch there. If you get the chance again, you should see it. I'm going to try and see Eldorado, or L'argent next. Jaque Catelain is pretty much in all his movies, and he's a good actor. His facial expressions are very vivid. He can go from excited to confused in an instance.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to see this Evgenii Bauer business--it's region 2 you say? Do you have a multi-region player? I'd sure like one but so far I can't afford (ech I'm tired my sentence structure is shit).

Have you ever seen "Bed and Sofa" by Avram Room?

This is all I will say for now.

slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I do have a multi-region player. It only cost me $70 though.

I know precious fuck-all about prewar Soviet cinema outside of the usual suspects--Eisenstein, Kushelov, Vertov, Pudovkin. I've long wanted to see stuff by Kozintsev and Trauberg, Room, Boris Barnet. A lot of good people insist that Barnet's By the Bluest of Seas (actually from 1936) is one of the greatest films ever made. I've always wanted to see Chapayev too. I mean we all know the line about Tarkovsky and Parazhanov rebelling against Socialist Realism or Momumentalism but where are the examples of those genres?

This October the major silent film festival at Pordenone in Italy is featuring a tribute to as Ivan Mosjoukine, the Russian actor and director who left for France during the Revolution and there made Le Brasier ardent (1923) which supposedly anticipates both Soviet montage and French impressionist cinema! He also starred in L'Herbier's Feu Matthia Pascal and Volkoff's Casanova.

Pordenone

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Multi-region = source of life and light. Thanks for the tip, Amateurist!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd reccomend checking out Bed & Sofa if you can.

von slutsky, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoah. I just saw Sjostrom's HE WHO GETS SLAPPED with Lon Chaney. Incredible, incredible, incredible. It exceeded all of my expectations. It was the most macabre movie I've seen I think, but all the over the top visuals were grounded in wrenching emotions. Haunting, perverse imagery of 100s of clowns perched around a globe, tossing one of their own off the edge of the world. You need to see this. Holy God.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 27 April 2003 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Also John Gilbert (pre-alcholism-induced decline) and Norma Shearer are lovely, lovely, lovely. One scene--of their forest idyll and a spoilt picnic--is just magnificent. It's like Sjostrom takes the familiar silent-film syntax and wrenches every bit of subtlety and emotion from it, more than you would've thought possible.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 27 April 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

This sounds like something I want to see--is it available on DVD or video or other home format? Of Sjostrom's I've only seen The Wind.

slutsky (slutsky), Sunday, 27 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Sunrise has the raw power of, oh, plays by Sophocles, that sort of thing.

Grass: A Nation's Battle for Life, made by the same folks who, eight years later, would make King Kong is also pretty damned incredible -- it involves nomadic tribes in Iran carrying their livestock up mountains. It's absolutely exhausting to watch them, in a good way.

The Life and Death of 9413: A Hollywood Extra. It's like something Joel Hodgson might put together if he was a young turk in the 20's: delirious experimentation, short, art deco, lights and shadow, puppets. Shares the look and feel with more than a few eighties videos.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 27 April 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

And is nobody gonna give it up for the Lumière Brothers?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 27 April 2003 19:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Sunrise an awful lot--my DVD should arrive any day now--but its misogyny has always kept me from holding it close to my heart. I prefer the other Janet Gaynor film of 1927, Seventh Heaven.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The misogyny is what it makes it so wrenching, though to say why would wreck the ending.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
we can talk about with spoiler warnings!

anyway i'm off to see this film for the umpteenth time at the action ecoles. sadly i couldn't round up anyway to go with me because this is like the greatest date movie ever, except that it's so beautiful you'll probably completely forget about your date which depending on your date might be a good thing!

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

also s1utsky i think he who gets slapped is on video somewhere. of sjostrom's other stuff it's hard to find...the outlaw and his wife is on video and laserdisc but i don't know what else is available (aside from the wind).

though...

(swedish and bay area ILXors take notes)

a COMPLETE RETROSPECTIVE OF THE SILENT FILMS OF VICTOR SJOSTROM is coming first to sweden, some time in january i think, and then eventually to the pacific film archive in berkeley, in february. GO GO GO GO GO

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Criterion is releasing two Tati films in January.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 1 November 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the same two tati films they had released before, only they got permission to reprint them from the tati estate. "playtime" is still out of print, pending (presumably) a dvd release of the "restored" version with english subtitles.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, so anyway, sunrise, whoa.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

also michael i saw grass the other week...was a bit underwhelmed. well, not by the images themselves surely, but overall effect of the film.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

so anyway


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rowr

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

who is that?

eriik, Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

ivan mosjoukine

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The other week , I saw Guy Madden's 2002 silent film "Dracula: Pages from a Virgin's Diary". I highly recommend this. A lot of it is ballet by Canada's Royal Winnipeg Ballet with Mahler as a soundtrack. And it is filmed in a impressionist style.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i wish it liked it more, but i liked it.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i wish i could find a better picture of mosjoukine.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

online, i mean.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Playtime is set to be reissued by Criterion - pending a 65mm telecine (which wasn't originally done for the first edition, as they are very rarely done). That delay is probably why it hasn't been announced yet, but they did say it's en route. Oh, and they're getting Jour de fete, too.

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 2 November 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

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Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 2 November 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 2 November 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

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nickn (nickn), Sunday, 2 November 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

shhhhhhhh

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

??? what do you mean lara ???

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i finally saw Sunrise last summer, and it was literally breathtaking. very few silent films really surprise me like that

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah of many splendid moments my favorite is when the husband and the wife are sitting at the table in the restaurant after scrambling through the traffic and sit staring at a plate of bread. he pushes the bread in the direction and gestures symapthetically for her to eat. after exchanging several discrete glances worth 10,000 words she takes a piece but before she can take a bite she collapses in tears. in one shot.

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

tag gallagher calls "sunrise" "*the* aesthetic event of its time" and indeed john ford in particular was astonished by it and completely rethought his approach to filmmaking afterward.

sad about the remainder of murnau's career: one film now lost, another cut to ribbons by the producers, the final film a flawed bit of brilliance which only premiered after his death in a car accident.

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"found in a toy projector"
Does this mean it was an 8mm film? Especially impressive restoration if so.

nickn, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 22:17 (two years ago)

two months pass...

Was really impressed by Pandora's Box (the new Eureka bluray) and all the backstory about Brooks in the bonus features. Silent films and this one in particular give me a feeling of "what could have been" like little else and I really want to see more because it's been a long time since I seen many. Was wondering if a Bluray of Diary Of A Lost Girl would follow but there already is one from 2014.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:51 (two years ago)

Haven't watched this yet but I'll just leave it here
https://archive.org/details/Wind1928

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:54 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

Silent Film Day 2024: https://silentmovieday.org/participate-1

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 15:26 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

Did anyone besides me observe Silent Film Day (rewatches of Coeur Fidele & The Dragon Painter)?

If you have access to TCM, tonight they're premiering the recent restoration of The Enchanted Cottage (1924) (haven't seen it yet but I know the guy who did the restoration).

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Sunday, 29 September 2024 23:55 (one year ago)

five months pass...

For your consideration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApoxM41NGQ

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 25 March 2025 16:11 (one year ago)

eight months pass...

Who's up for L'Inhumaine at the Film Forum later today?

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 November 2025 18:16 (six months ago)

Heh, sold out anyway.

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 November 2025 19:18 (six months ago)

When I saw it I was reminded of extremely lol 80s music videos. But then they were being made by film students that had been trained on whatever versions of Caligari and Metropolis were in circulation.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Sunday, 30 November 2025 20:16 (six months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpy8L8B_3WQ
Been meaning to watch this forever, soundtrack seems very interesting, surely not the original

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 December 2025 19:50 (six months ago)

talking pictures has been showing Message from Mars with a new soundtrack. makes them look like they are dancing to Aphex Twin in the one scene. it's on the bfi website for free, if you can get that to work.

koogs, Monday, 1 December 2025 20:11 (six months ago)

The Wind is kind of a must-see. Have no idea about that soundtrack.

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 December 2025 21:35 (six months ago)

five months pass...

The highest of recommendations for the Gold Ninja Video release of Canadian silent The Devil Bear. The film itself is an ok melodrama enlivened by the presence of a man in a gorilla suit, but the extras and presentation are an amazing look into a fascinating story: basically the movie was a con, this American producer showing up in Canada and asking ppl to finance an adaptation of a story by a locally beloved author; it's kind of a miracle it got made at all. The larger context of this was also US producers trying to skirt the UK national cinema quotas by filming in Canada, which being commonwealth did not count against those.

Another wrinkle is that the copy they dug up was modified to prepare for a sound version that never materialised, so if you've ever wondered "did we really need all those dialogue intertitles?", now you can find out.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 17:50 (one month ago)

did Guy Maddin make this up?

Brenton Wood Conference (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 18:20 (one month ago)

From Morn to Midnight (1920) is utterly insane. Imagine The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari reworked as a comedic satire on capitalism but making less sense. You can watch it direct from Wikipedia, sans soundtrack unfortunately so you'll have to find your own music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Morn_to_Midnight

the prog judge has spoken (Matt #2), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 18:56 (one month ago)


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