A Thread about the film JFK

triumph of the will is "better" than JFK but yeah my logical syntax is all over the place

got sucked into this again yesterday. about twenty minutes in i went and got a notebook and just started writing down lines.

it's one thing to engage in badinage with all these youngsters, but this sort of thing could be so easily misunderstood.

sonabitch's got his hands on the chicken switch

Why don't we drop this thread? It's one thing to engage in badinage with these youngsters, but this sort of thing can be so easily misunderstood.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:51 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more champagne!

― gear (gear), Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:57 PM (5 years ago)

ctrl-fing for "homosexual underworld" before i deploy the next one

ah fuck

Both brothers?!?

This thread is a whole nother kettle of fish.

i just can't believe a man as intelligent as earl warren never looked into this.

stone really needs to do the LBJ story

haha presumably if he did the whole middle bit would be lbj plotting the jfk assassination

one of the quieter lols in the caro series is in book 1, wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back like in 1930 or something, when caro's on one of his lyrical tears about how ambitious and calculating johnson is, and says something like "it was clear he would do anything for power (short of assassination, of course)." glad we cleared that up early.

how about the bit where RFK gets shot on TV and Costner's so disturbed/turned on that he goes upstairs and weeps and fucks Sissy Spacek.

― gear (gear), Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:38 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jasper

The other night you didn't even notice Jasper.

There's nothing wrong with feeling a little scared, Jasper.
Telling the truth can be a scary thing sometimes.
It scared President Kennedy, and he was a brave man.
But if you let yourself be too scared...
...then you let the bad guys take over the country.
Then everybody gets scared.

You never talked to me this way before, Jim.

Jasper played by Stone's son!

I picture Stone having a good laugh at the scenes where Garrison himself plays Earl Warren... then slapping everyone else and being all "ain't that a corker?"

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:48 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

― gear (gear), Monday, October 24, 2005 12:10 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ILX in a nutshell.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, October 24, 2005

how was your mousse?

You know your Shakespeare, Bill?

It's as old as the crucifixion

that's not all that's disappeared, i think -- along with it, the concept of justice.

it's been exhausting. i shall go home and cook some etouffee.

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/6451/lbjop.jpg

sonabitch's got his hands on the chicken switch

― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That whole scene with military dudes in smoke filled rooms plotting compliments the monologue so well:

Every time he goes over to Saigon on some fuckin' fact-finding mission, he comes back and just scares the shit out of the President! Now I want Max Taylor on him night and day, like a fly on shit. Now you control McNamara, and you control Kennedy.

It's as old as the crucifixion

― omar little, Friday, 19 October 2012 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The next sentencce:

A military firing squad; five bullets, one blank, no one's guilty.

Must have been having the time of their lives writing this...makes me wish I was a scriptwriter on this film.

It was a Texas live oak, chief. It sheds its leaves in March.

Little ass-wipe closed down the camps! Took our C-4!
Took 10,000 rounds! 3,000 pounds of gunpowder!
All our weapons!
You want to free Cuba? Whack out the fucking beard!
They got new stuff!
I could show you dozens of poisons! Put it in his food, he'd die in three days.
No trace!
Put something in his beard, make it fall out. He'd look ridiculous....

poetry

what's the deal with the supposed subliminal images that elvis telecom linked to an article about (but the link doesn't work)

joe pesci in a powdered wig whipping a gold painted tommy lee jones while kevin bacon masturbates in the background?

wait that wasn't subliminal. i think there were skulls inserted at certain points maybe? i don't remember.

xp good point, i remember the movie being sort of "manifest" rather than latent. yes, what i gleaned from elsewhere that OS is revealing a masonic plot through subliminal insertions. one site lists a string of times where there are supposedly different kinds of images inserted...just wondering if that's for real

like a cockroach on a white rug

i cant remember if i've posted about this before or not, but i spent the spring break of my sophomore year of high school as an extra on the set of Kevin Costner's The Postman. some scenes were shot in a pit mine not far from where i lived, and i was the only one of my dozen friends who auditioned that ended up getting casted. the majority of the week was spent sitting around in the sun waiting for things to happen, but on my final day of employment i was scheduled to do a night scene, which was shot late in to the evening. the scene revolved around a bunch of us post-apocalyptic soldiers watching a film screening and i ended up getting positioned next to a woman who surely must have been one of the biggest Kevin Costner fans alive. during the hours of waiting between shots she told me everything i needed to know about our star/director and gave me the details on every encounter she had had with him or a member of his family or entourage while on set that week. then, like it was destined to happen, the camera was set up for the next shot right in front of us, and Mr. Costner had to come and personally direct us on what he needed us to do. the action he wanted involved the woman i had been talking to cuddling with a man sitting on her side opposite me. being the dutiful director he was, Costner came up and took the place of this man and cuddled this woman while the camera crew set up, showing the rest of us extras what he wanted in this shot. this went on for several minutes, this woman just absolutely melting the whole time as gradually, Costner's conversation slipped from directions and in to general chit-chat, his arm still draped over her shoulder. eventually it was time to do the shot and the male extra was put back in place to do the job of cuddling he had just watched Costner demonstrate. just before taking his place in the director's chair, Costner turned and gave us a final word of advice on how to behave while so close to the camera. he told us its hard not to look in to the lens of the camera, but when making movies you really can't ever do that because it will ruin the shot, as well as the integrity of the movie-watching expierience. then he paused for a second and added this exception: "except in very rare circumstances, like towards the end of JFK, when i say 'nothing as long as you live will ever be more important' then i look directly in to the camera and say 'it's up to you.'" the woman next to me was still awestruck as Kevin Costner yelled "action!"

now imagine reciting that in the voice of Donald Sutherland.

the scene starts at 24:49 here, and the shot in question is at 25:59 (i am sadly just out of frame).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENRuWNS1h9s

lol alfred

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/11/15/3648036/chipper-jones-jfk-tweets

I was watching it too on REELZ the other night. They fucking faded it out right in the middle of X's revelations to go to commercial, in mid-sentence.

They fucking faded it out right

o shit

back and to the left

think we need a crosspost of NYT Mag's Stone profile of last week

“JFK” was based on “On the Trail of the Assassins,” by Jim Garrison, a former Orleans Parish district attorney who, in 1969, unsuccessfully prosecuted Clay Shaw, a New Orleans businessman, for conspiring to kill the president. Kevin Costner played Garrison as an Atticus Finch type fighting an ingrained power structure, though Garrison is dismissed by many mainstream historians as a con man. In researching “JFK,” Stone also relied on L. Fletcher Prouty, a former Air Force colonel who, before becoming disillusioned with government, was chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Kennedy administration. Prouty never actually met Garrison except in Stone’s film, where he is Donald Sutherland’s Colonel X, who lays it all out for the D.A. in the shadow of the Washington Monument — how the military deliberately underprotected the president in Dallas, how defense contractors, big oil and bankers conspired with the military to make sure the president died because he didn’t intend to go to war in Vietnam. Costner is a kind of stand-in for Stone, soberly shaking his head as X says: “Does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you, Mr. Garrison? Not for one moment.”

In advance of the film’s release, Stone pronounced “JFK” “a history lesson.” Prouty, however, who died in 2001, turned out to be extremely problematic. He had many theories in addition to his theories on Kennedy, including that the Joint Chiefs of Staff had foreknowledge of the Jonestown Massacre and that greedy oil barons invented the fiction that oil is made of decomposed fossils. And it was Prouty, Stone said, who turned him on to “The Report From Iron Mountain,” a 1967 document ostensibly written by a secret panel of military planners. The document is a favorite among conspiracy theorists, who, like Prouty, seem unaware that in 1972 the satirist Leonard Lewin admitted he wrote it. “I’ve acknowledged when I’ve made mistakes,” Stone said of the movie now. “There were a few mistakes, but nothing that changes the big story.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magazine/oliver-stone-rewrites-history-again.html

JFK getting out of Vietnam is cock.

just saw/loled hard at gr80's post in a library

jeez I never read that

funny how all of ollie's research failed to turn up any of the 500 speeches where JFK comes off as a pretty typical cold war liberal, including all the times -- both public and private -- when he said 'we can't lose in vietnam.'

unfortunately the transcriber never included the part where jfk paused and then said "sike"

in that omission