New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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hahaha oh, also: vesper is a total GOTH HOTTIE!!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

the guy was a terrible dresser and mean to caterina murino = he deserved to die.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

"The job is done and the bitch is dead" would sound merely humorously anachronistic if Connery was saying it in 'Goldfinger', but the line said in spyworld 2006 revels in Bond's ugly brutality.

It's a paraphrase from the book's final line, FWIW:

"Yes, dammit, I said 'was.' The bitch is dead now."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh Pete - i didn't understand!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT

Well, I think he's unavoidably overshadowed by the focus on Craig's debut -- understandable for a lot of reasons (in comparison I think the villains in the next two will get greater attention by default). I'm not saying Mikkelsen did terribly; rather I think that the filmmakers had to make sure he ended up not rivalling Craig in terms of dominating the film, and the story and script helped there. He is exactly "just a bad man in a bad world" -- that's how the book had him and that's how the script carried him over, and the fact that Mikkelsen played him at that level is to his credit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition?

It was a bit jarring. Arguably though the whole idea of the exhibit was 'public' display, period. (I would have been much more surprised if there had been some sort of fight scene in there that involved knocking the figures down!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Who was the guy playing the chap who was trying to blow up the plane? I can't remember a character name to IMDB it.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Claudio Santamaria

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

thanks. looking him up there's only Besieged that I could remember him from. weird.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

The one wot Jarvis sang?

UH

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not even sure what I'm UHing more, the idea that that was a good Pulp song or the idea that the Bond franchise did not, actually, cut the song and use an equally terrible Sheryl Crow song instead. :\

Still both songs better than that Chris Cornell song. Jesus, who dusted him off?

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

That Chris Cornell song, Jesus H. I was imagining him singing "Rusty Cage" and "Black Hole Sun" all smoothed out during that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I recognized the Swiss banker guy as the driving dude from Run Lola Run, the one who comes to meet with the dad.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

They should get Ruben Studdard to do the next one

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/Music_Images/r-studdard.jpg
and he STRIKES!!!! (babadabaBUM!) LIKE THUUUUUUUNNNNNNNDAABAAAAAWWWWWWWLLLL

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

:-D

Clay Aiken can remake "All Time High" or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed it, Craig was good but 2 things: he talks in his boots and I completely missed at least 2 lines of dialogue - when a film moves that fast I don't want to be wondering what's been said.. ANNUNCIATE lad. and I agree the theme song was crap.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

he talks in his boots
He whats?

stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

deep/low voice...!

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

ANNUNCIATE lad

Ah right, the Feast of the Enunciation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Clay Aiken can remake "All Time High" or something.

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Pulp's cover of All Time High: ALSO TERRIBLE. What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

whatever, Bodyworlds is a freakin' travelling circus that's been making big $$$ everywhere on ticket sales. it's all just curious people coming to check it out (not that i have a problem w/that but jeez let's not get all huffy abt it)

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to say I had no trouble understanding Daniel Craig perfectly well.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

I think I missed one Craig line but otherwise perfectly understandable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

I always loved the weirdness in how "I Spy" ended up on the soundtrack to the first Mission: Impossible movie. Which is doubly ridiculous because now that I think about it that song's a PERFECT one to be sung from the point of view of Craig's Bond! (Seducing wives, loathing the upper class...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

They're like the Tigers in the World Series in this respect.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

NED, YOU ONLY JUST THOUGHT OF THAT??????????????????????

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU ANYMORE.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Uh? (I said *Craig's* Bond, not anyone else's. It certainly wouldn't the fuck be Pierce Goddamn Brosnan's!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

Haha, what I meant was it compliments the pre-titles sequence where Bond goes on his first kills. The title sequence itself I think is a pretty smart realignment of the franchise. The lack of willowy dancing girls neatly echoes the film itself, less playful and more business like.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion, but I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think that Connery's Bond didn't echo that sentiment quite frequently. There was no need to explicitly state the fact in Casino Royale, it was just something that came through. It's not the character's fault that some douchebags thought Pierce Brosnan was a good idea (I'm just going to go ahead and start by saying "for example, his parents").

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Roffle. (You're right about Connery, true.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

dudes the opening credits looked like a bum Flash animation

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Tombot's right, I thought some of the visual elements of the title sequence were clever, but make no mistake, it's already dated.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

i sort of half-expected one of the fighting silhouettes to start rockin out with a iPod

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the silhouettes were kind of skewed/blocky at points in some sort of Saul Bass homage, but I might have been imagining it.

mh. (mike h.), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha nice one TCM: "Loosely based on the 1967 farce of the same name."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

While I enjoyed the movie for the most part, there is one plot point I had some trouble swallowing. If Vesper was needed alive to reveal the account number to the bad guys, why did they leave her bound in the middle of the road while Bond was racing after them?

Binjominia (Brilhante), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Different set of bad guys. (Le Chiffre's versus Mr. White's)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

the point about the title sequence.. for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes..

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I heep forgetting that Daniel Craig played Francis Bacon's rough-trade muse/lover in Love Is the Devil -- good film.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to see this in an hour, will need to nip out to woolies shortly for some pick and mix.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes

I was thinking that as well! The sole remarkable point about it, I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Have we talked about the cameos? There was Richard Branson going through airport security, and far more pleasant, Alessandra Ambrosio (probably the most beautiful woman in the world) in tennis apparel, checking out 007 even though he drives a Ford Mondeo (which actually looked cool, if a bit out of place). Any others I'm forgetting?

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oops -- on my answering machine just now, my mom, saying about how she and dad saw the film and loved it. (No surprise there.) But then she says:

"Tell me about this Chris Cornell guy. I've never heard of him!"

This will be an interesting conversation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

(Stolen from my own post on another board)

I had yet to find anything to complain about - at length anyway - after watching CR. I felt the Astons could've been utilised more and I did wonder how well Clive Owen would've done. Despite having never read any of the books, I can see Daniel as a very good approximation of Bond as Fleming intended him, much like Tim Dalton was. While DC doesn't have TD's looks, he has more of an edge and doesn't have the slight look of discomfort I sometimes got from watching TD in his two flicks.

However, Sean is still king. Granted, Daniel's playing a fairly different Bond altogether, not to mention for a different time, and it's really up to the next 2 films for DC to portray the Bond we actually know effectively, but he wasn't truly playing the same 007 as the others were and until he does, I wouldn't quite judge him on their criteria.

Havin' said that, I definitely enjoyed it and the strip-down/delayed introduction of Bond's characteristics really gave a lot of effect to conveying his job - a glorified hitman and point-and-click problem solver for MI6 - what makes him special is his gift of being ultra-adaptable to missions and in situations, which I personally think is as much a defining trait of his as the catchphrases. The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Also: EVA GREEN (never more beautiful than when applying her make-up in the bathroom - the minimal approach clearly works for her too!)

Badrock Example (Barima), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ally: "Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion."

Dead right. I was never convinced by Brosnan, and his films were just washed-out, synthetic pastiches of the real thing.

My thoughts on Casino Royale:

Craig was excellent.... another film and he'll be the best Bond ever.

Bollock-torture scene was discreetly done and still incredibly daring.

Eva Green was very good but she wasn't quite "Diana Rigg enough" for me to buy into the Bond/Vesper love story.

Overall, I think the casual Bond film viewer won't like the lack of a true central villain, they could've cut about fifteen minutes from the running time but several scenes were just breathtaking.

Not quite the best but better than any Moore, Dalton or Brosnan film. Definite top five material. OHMSS still my all-time favourite Bond film.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Yup. But if they're smart they can find a way to get there.

Turns out my mom knew who Soundgarden and Audioslave were, which honestly surprised me. Therefore explaining Chris Cornell was easy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)


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