Oh, Olivia Munn is in this? Sold.
― calstars, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
west wing has some really good stuff, some really cringey stuff, some downright offensive stuff. sports night can be cringey but it just goes down easier than the west wing.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
also dan rydell
yeah Sports Night is comfort food to me, i've run through the whole series on DVD maybe half a dozen times now
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
Olivia Munn makes me even less interested.
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
iirc josh charles and aaron sorkin had "creative differences" on the set of sports night and in retrospect i want to say that josh charles was one of the best things that ever happened to sorkin.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
that's interesting, i haven't really read much of anything about the making of Sports Night since people are so much less likely to write about that than Sorkin's other stuff
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah WW is not perfect, but I can't help it. the first few seasons are pretty good. Josh Lyman, Sam Seaborn, Will Bailey, Toby. I want Josh Charles to have a sports show, even now
I follow him on twitter, he talks about the Bmore Raves ALL the time
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
i know; it's so annoying. josh charles + felicity huffman + josh molina= underrecognized sorkin golden age. plus it was the first time i saw most sorkiny conceits so they seemed fresh.
i don't really know anything about the substance of those creative differences fwiw. in general i sympathize with writers who get notes/revision suggestions from actors, but if that's why sorkin got annoyed with charles, i don't know, maybe he should have listened.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
sarah and i have tried to start sports night twice, have yet to actually finish watching the pilot - the whole thing is so artificial and '90s it's unbearable
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the pilot is much worse than the rest of the show fwiw
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
i would just skip it if i were you tbh
i like artificial though
yeah pilot is not good; it takes a couple of episodes for them to lose the laugh track and weird sitcom-y conceits, but if you can ride that out it's worth it.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
I love the 90's-office with the glass-bricks everywhere
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
they don't lose the laugh track at all, even in the second season, i think? there are weird ghostly returns of it. that whole situation is inexplicable.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
isn't the second episode the one where dan apologizes to his brother on-air? that's when the show gets good imo. /sap
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
no I thought it faded out after a few episodes into the first season, maybe more than 2 or 3. I'm pretty sure it's gone by the end of S1
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
oh god that brother apology is outstanding
i'm kind of amazed this show could wind up as self-parodying as it seems, considering how quickly everyone in the internet smelled self-parody
― da croupier, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the laugh track was definitely gone by s2
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Friday, June 22, 2012 5:14 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah i mean...he may not have agreed with all the criticism of Studio 60 but you'd think he'd at least realize that repeating certain aspects of it were not going to go over well
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
this seems appropriate
http://www.funnyordie.com/pictures/58a52edd85/the-first-few-pages-of-aaron-sorkin-s-steve-jobs-biopic
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1258805/34ee0b88af4243a463058ea28711be9c_width_640x.jpg
lol oops
or die
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, I thought it was funny :(
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
"dang people didn't like studio 60...well, maybe i just picked the wrong kind of tv to be ridiculously self-righteous about"
― da croupier, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
"clearly the world is mistaken and needs to be shown more of my genius"
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
you know what's cooler than a million ipods...?
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
Seconded. She is horrible.
― Simon H., Friday, 22 June 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
Christ, Sorkin is such an unloveable prick:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/how-to-get-under-aaron-sorkins-skin-and-also-how-to-high-five-properly/article4363455/
He denies being either an ideologue or a modernist, agreeing only that the show is written in his voice, and that said voice is “authorial” (both my word and his). I’d posit that creating an authorial drama in a time of mumbling, precarious, voice-of-a-generation comedy almost absolutely constitutes an ideology, one both modernist and masculinist. But conveniently, at that moment, the interview’s over.“Listen here, Internet girl,” he says, getting up. “It wouldn’t kill you to watch a film or pick up a newspaper once in a while.” I’m not sure how he’s forgotten that I am writing for a newspaper; looking over the publicist’s shoulder, I see that every reporter is from a print publication (do not see: Drew Magary). I remind him. I say also, factually, “I have a New York Times subscription and an HBO subscription. Any other advice?”He looks surprised, then high-fives me. Being not a person who high-fives or generally makes physical contact with interview subjects, I look more surprised.“I’m sick of girls who don’t know how to high-five,” he says. He makes me try to do it “properly,” six times. He also makes me laugh; I’m nervous, and it’s so absurd. He loves it. He says, “Let me manhandle you.” Then he ambles off, hoping I’ll write something nice, as though he has never known how the news works, how many stories can be true.
“Listen here, Internet girl,” he says, getting up. “It wouldn’t kill you to watch a film or pick up a newspaper once in a while.” I’m not sure how he’s forgotten that I am writing for a newspaper; looking over the publicist’s shoulder, I see that every reporter is from a print publication (do not see: Drew Magary). I remind him. I say also, factually, “I have a New York Times subscription and an HBO subscription. Any other advice?”
He looks surprised, then high-fives me. Being not a person who high-fives or generally makes physical contact with interview subjects, I look more surprised.
“I’m sick of girls who don’t know how to high-five,” he says. He makes me try to do it “properly,” six times. He also makes me laugh; I’m nervous, and it’s so absurd. He loves it. He says, “Let me manhandle you.” Then he ambles off, hoping I’ll write something nice, as though he has never known how the news works, how many stories can be true.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 June 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
chrrrrriiiiiist almighty. ugh
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
“I’m sick of girls who don’t know how to high-five,”
amazing!
― blossom smulch (schlump), Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Since when is hi-five-ing some kind of important life skill
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
When you're a frustrated middle-aged wannabe jock. And boy howdy does he just fucking OOZE that.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
haha sorkin's interest in strong female characters/totally over-the-top condescension toward women/awareness of his own tendency toward sexist condescension is one of the most compelling nodes in his constellation of being incredibly frustrating to me.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but how many of his heroines could have "knows how to high five" in their character description
― some dude, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
btw how surreal is it that there's nobody named 'Danny' in this show
― some dude, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
i couldn't make it through the whole episode
― buh, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
haters gonna hate and there's a lot of bad but there's some good but what really interests me is that it doesn't feel like it should be on HBO at all.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
Some good, yes, but it's mostly like a louder, more unpleasant Sports Night.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
i really wanted to like it. i loved west wing as much as anyone, but damn this was bad
inexplicably bad acting from waterston
― buh, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
what really interests me is that it doesn't feel like it should be on HBO at all.
that's because it feels like a worse version of shit he did on network tv
― da croupier, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
getting out of this show graciously may be hard for hbo, as the horses being beaten are already dead.
― da croupier, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
should i watch this guys?
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
i must admit i'm intrigued by emily nussbaum saying each of the first four episodes is worse than the one before it
― da croupier, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
Waterston was way off, yeah. xposts
Clunky, Sorkinesque stuff with rousing speeches and an utterly lack of cynicism. It's axe-grinding, but not wholly unpleasant as of yet (I expect that will change *very* quickly). I'm interested to see how he's structured the season. I also totally and utterly believe in a lot of the ideas but it's cheap to re-do the BP Oil Spill with 20/20 etc.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
we reached for the stars, and we acted like men
― buh, Monday, 25 June 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
That was pretty Sam Seaborn.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link