wait what
DJP i agree with everything you've said itt about the shoes and i don't think my post was directed @ any black dudes? just felt like it was worth reiterating that intent isn't the important thing here
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
is it just the difference between calling it racist and calling it fucked up, based on intent? was just saying that innocent intent doesn't excuse ignorance, not trying to compare it to the bottle opener or anything or add to that strain of the conversation at all. but i can see how it can be taken that way, so i'm sorry about that, wasn't my "INTEEEENT" to dispute your response.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
DJP is "my favorite black man"
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
That post is already looking way too bad and I m still kind of tipsy. Shit.
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:26 (eleven years ago) link
LOVE YOU DAN
yeah DJP i didn't really understand why you went after zach there, didn't feel like he was telling you or anyone what to think
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
well maybe he shouldn't have started out his post with 'has everyone'
― un® (dayo), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
I just finished an argument with pplains where I said I was sure dude's intent wasn't racially motivated, which is why I think the shoes are not intentionally racist even though they present that way, so zach saying "how many times do we have to say intent doesn't matter, you should find this racist" sounded like a reiteration of pp's side of the argument to me
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
I apologize for the harsh reaction
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
My mistake, for the record, wasn't presuming that you should be offended, but presuming that you would be offended.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
no need to apologize, i see it. i was sort of jumping over the convo there and responding to michael white et al saying that it wasn't offensive because scott wasn't trying to be offensive. i forgot that the guardian article at the beginning explicitly said that the implications were intentional.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
well really, the whole thought process that leads to someone making shackle shoes without thinking about what they'd look like on the target audience is one that makes me derisively laugh more than anything else
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
let's not forget the larger issue here -- jeremy scott makes really dumb clothes
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad we're back to discussing things where the level of racism is actually up for debate, i guess?
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh me too, I promise I will do my best to stop being touchy because I don't want to squelch the conversation
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
There's a gong sound, chop suey font and more, but all the folks in this video seem in on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Ee3qJEVZQ
I'm hoping Dayo or Jimmy show up so we can tell them how they should feel about this.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
are you sure that wasn't just compiled from vids already on yt
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2012/06/phrenology-of-chief-keef/
...
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
wow, chief keef has the same amount of brain matter dedicated to pictures of birdman touching his chin as i do
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
No, I'm not sure, now that you mention it. What a weird thing to compile, if that's the case.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, June 22, 2012 7:58 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loooool
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://felkes.tumblr.com/post/23019812161/hello-you-might-know-me-as-lanina-from-werelist-i
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
holy
― goole, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
the list of animals most commonly identified w/ is disappointing
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5xt8pbagR1qg7xy3o1_500.png
isn't there anyone who identifies as a carp or something? non-mammalian therians have it hardest imo
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
i keep almost starting a thread about this kind of fringe identity stuff. otherkin, but more importantly "transracial"/"transethnic" and "transabled" ppl. i want to find more examples though. all sorts of dumb shit on tumblr/livejournal.
and yeah, no one ever ends up identifying as a non-cute/cool animal/pokemon
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1182852800l/1339239.jpg
looks curious
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i found that link via this, which is a bit too outraged for my taste, since the righteousness drowns the lulz: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69900212.html
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Methinks the lady doth protest too much etc.
Actually I'm really curious about this transabilism thing; there are actually people with such severe body dysmorphia that they seek to have healthy limbs amputated.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
that ONTD was C+P'd from thought catalog, not really supposed to be funny (it is also the 1 in 50,000 thought catalog articles that doesn't belong in hell)
imo a trans woman of color can be as righteous and angry as she wants @ this bs
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Well the idea of "transethnicity" is certainly troublesome. More fraught than Otherkin.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 23 June 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
this is just white wolf fanfic, right?
― Mordy, Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
black asian or hispanic wolf actually
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
Those last three things don't seem racist so much as people who have gone insane and take themselves way too seriously about it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of it belongs more in the "is this transphobic" thread tbh
and yeah there's nothing wrong with being an otherkin or whatever; the offensiveness comes from their co-opting the language from actually oppressed people and claiming their subculture is similarly oppressed. it's really common to hear them say a variation of "you wouldn't say that to a transgender person, would you?" in response to criticism.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
zachlyon otm as far as i can see
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
idgi, isn't it just a metaphor for transphobia and maybe a safe space for exploring those ideas/feelings? i mean, there's no such thing as werewolves.
― Mordy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's possible for people to explore their feelings and their hardships without appropriating the politics of people who are killed for theirs.
not to mention the fact that otherkin werewolves claiming trans immunity as a 'metaphor' are just gonna make it harder for the transgender people to be taken seriously and i just wish i never had to write this sentence
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
should say the rights of transgender people to be taken seriously ^
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
what does 'claiming trans immunity' mean?
― Mordy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
using the idealogical arguments/points of the transgender discussion the a defense of a non-transgender identity as though it's all the same
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
*as a
transethnic?
transabled?
demisexual?
what the fuck did people even do with themselves before the internet.
― goole, Sunday, 24 June 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
'bate
― catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 24 June 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
Go away. Batin'.
― mh, Sunday, 24 June 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
I can relate because I think I'm a dog with sunglasses
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― some dude, Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
exception that proves the rule there
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
yep that's my identity don't were it out!
― slugbuggy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
^ kudos
***VAMPIRES***AND***WEREWOLFS***
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
I spent a large proportion of yesterday reading about the Final Fantasy 7 house thanks to the "soulbonding" wormhole you guys sent me on. Jesus bloody Christos.
― emil.y, Monday, 25 June 2012 11:12 (eleven years ago) link