They're Remaking 'Alien' -- the 'Prometheus' thread

people on facebook/twitter/here keep posting about people complaining about this movie while not seeing "good movies"/artsy independent films - if you can recommend any good smaller/obscure movies that are out right now, please feel free to do so, because all the ones i read about sound shitty

like i guess i should have spent my $11 on quirky indie romcom lola versus? or quirky indie rom com safety not guaranteed?

stern Weiland representative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzVgIop0f0Y

like i guess i should have spent my $11 on quirky indie romcom lola versus? or quirky indie rom com safety not guaranteed?

Bernie was funny

I bet the new Cronenberg is worth seeing

is that the weekend at bernie's prequel

yes, it answers (and raises) a lot of fascinating questions only hinted at in the original film

like, who was that one guy at the party? and was he related to Jesus?

eh i guess the problem is getting motivated to see any of those movies in the theater vs. at home - like what is "bernie" going to gain from being seen on the big screen? question for another thread i guess.

every kind of movie is better in a theater

well yeah Bernie is not in 3D Imax and doesn't FLY AT U FACE, on the other hand you might relish spending an enjoyable evening in the company of gay couples and old people, if my experience is any indicator lol

lol

Couldn’t this highly advanced race of beings just have sent another ship and killed off the human race at any time?

This is kind of recurring - why couldn't "the company" just fly a spaceship to the original planet and pick up a nice big box of the eggs, instead of continually sending random punters off to be eaten.

huh?

Well, the idea in "Aliens" was basically that the colonists were sent there specifically to be eaten and hatch aliens, right?

not really?

The idea was that Paul Reiser needed to be eaten.

if only

you know what would have been better, is if Paul Reiser's character had been played by Helen Hunt

you know what would have been better, is if Paul Reiser's character had been eaten by Helen Hunt

Yeah but they did it 57 years after the company's first attempt to get the eggs/aliens. Why the gap?

you what woudl have been best, is if paul reiser had really been eaten

along with Helen Hunt

"Aliens" : Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film.

(apparently I have "Mad About You" PTSD)

Yeah but they did it 57 years after the company's first attempt to get the eggs/aliens. Why the gap?

― Keith, Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're not there in the first movie in an "attempt to get the eggs/aliens," they run into them on their way to somewhere else. and the company only finds out about it once they find ripley.

In Aliens I think it's explicitly so that they get an alien inside someone through customs.

But doesn't the computer say that the main priority is to return the organism - crew expendible, with the robot in on the story?

you guys have terrible memories

but that was once Mother was told about the discovery - that wasn't their original mission iirc?

mission is to bring tiny underpants to space

I assumed this was all in classic 1970s government conspiracy-type stuff, where they were placed in a seemingly random situation, but that the government/company knew all about what they were doing.

like i guess i should have spent my $11 on quirky indie romcom lola versus? or quirky indie rom com safety not guaranteed?

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:38 PM (20 seconds ago)

i saw a good swiss/french documentary about a pair of seasonally itinerant shephards the other day: winter nomads

no no keith, the company has a directive that says if they run into alien stuff they are mandated to check it out. it's like a running policy. that's not what their job was.

First movie: get distress signal, computer wakes up for hypersleep, robot's mission is to get the alien, crew expendable.

Aliens: company knows what's happened to colonists (who either in the director's cut or the novelization or maybe both are sent to "investigate" the eggs, which it recognizes from Ripley's report), send Paul Reiser to bring back creature through customs for weaponizing.

Remember, in "Aliens" they don't have the colonists investigate until after Ripley gives her report. Then like the next day or so they wake her up and tell her they've lost contact with the colonists.

the last scene of prometheus really just plays like fan fiction, doesn't it? it doesn't really make any sense in the context of the movie beyond just saying SEE??

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Well, I guess I never read it that way. The whole thing looks to me as though the company knew exactly what they were sending them to get and it wasn't a random incident. I could be wrong, but seeing Ash's defence of the thing every single step of the way, including letting it in and stopping Dr. Kananga from killing it, which is all odd if they're just following company policy to investigate an anomaly.

However, if this is the case, the company/computer quickly figure out that it is important they keep the alien (see what mother says), so important that killing the crew is less important. This being the case, it still seems weird that once everyone dies (to all intents and purposes) the company then loses interest until 57 years later when Ripley turns up.

how do we know they lost interest? how do we know they knew any of what had happened?

the movie makes it very clear that they were on another job, and that there is a sort of priority override (unknown to the human crew) that kicks in whenever one of the company's ships runs into signs of alien life.

But they didn't lose interest at all. They didn't find out about it until they found Ripley and heard her report, and once she told them, it was a matter of days before all hell had broken loose down on the planet.

Nostromo coming home>>distress signal/wake up>> crew member impregnated/alien hatches>> computer changes mission to bring back alien at all costs>>>everyone dies, Ripley blows up ship, floats off>>>>>

57 years pass

company finds Ripley, learn she found an alien on this planet, blew everything up>>company tells colonists on planet to investigate alleged alien/eggs, they all die/birth aliens>>>Ripley and marines go to planet to "rescue" colonists but really to get the company an alien.

So I can see this if we assume that Ash/Mother are acting completely autonomously from the company... The whole 'crew expendible' thing is something that Mother decides on its own and Ash carries out based on that? My assumption is that instructions are being received from the company.

x-post okay I see that's what you think. Still a bit odd that they would let the computer act autonomously.

I assumed there were standing orders from the company. Like, do your job, but if you find an alien, your mission has changed.

PS Don't tell the crew, because they are expendable.

Yes maybe. I'll give up after this, but it's still a bit odd that the computer wouldn't inform Earth and if they were really interested, why not send something better equipped along to check it out. They indicate in Aliens that it's possible to communicate with far away places in reasonable time (i.e. they've lost contact with the colony).

Oh dear, something very very film dorky suggested itself to me just now.

So David8 really loves Lawrence of Arabia and presumably thinks David Lean is all right for a human director and etc.

David Lean's final film project, which was just about set to film before he died, was an adaptation of...Nostromo.

Hehe, that is film dorky!

Yes maybe. I'll give up after this, but it's still a bit odd that the computer wouldn't inform Earth and if they were really interested, why not send something better equipped along to check it out. They indicate in Aliens that it's possible to communicate with far away places in reasonable time (i.e. they've lost contact with the colony).

But Ripley's not on earth in "Aliens," they're somewhere out in space, presumably not far from the colony. As far as I remember, in the first, second and this new one, no one ever contacts or talks to earth.

xpost whoa

SUPER dorky

^^^OTM

crew of nostromo/Mother are not in contact with earth

xxp