'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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I thought it was a movie about having children. Period.

I do see what you mean, in that it's a movie about having a future beyond yourself, however intangible. Having children is how most people do that. Maybe all people.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www3.telus.net/st_simons/anniemusical.jpg

TAMARRAH, TAMARRAH, I'LL GIVE BIRTH TO YA TAMARRAH,
YOU'RE JUST A FLOATING BUOY AWAAAAAYY!!!!!

(sorry)

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see why it's so implausible that an organization concerned about curing an infertility problem would name one of their vessels "Tomorrow"...?

Yeah, I agree. What's the problem. That's exactly the sort of thing I'd expect.

But it would have been awesome if they came in this instead:

http://www.aztlan.net/oiltank.jpg

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Disorder:

I agree with you, re: Brazil. Like CoM, Brazil is/was set in an exaggerated version of the present, enabling the film to function as fairly direct sociopolitical commentary. I think this is much less true of Blade Runner, but again, that's all kinda OT here.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) No one should come in Condelezza Rice.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

OOPSIE...

http://www.aztlan.net/ricec.jpg

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

It's a movie about having children the way Wages of Fear is about nitroglycerine.

Jesus, I didn't say TOMORROW was implausible; it disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness. (As for the dialogue mentions, I've either forgotten them or they were drowned out by the Murmuring Couple Near Me who wouldn't shut the fuck up.)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie) struck me as much more repetitive last time (also more like a futuristic 1948), certainly no classic; I like Blade Runner but not cultishly.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan no one is fucking with Brazil or Blade Runner, they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does. DO you agree or disagree?

Also, I find your assertion that all people have children somewhat suspect.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

All cats are grey.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does

Mayyybe.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie)

ever heard of a little film called 12 monkeys?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

Yeah, it's the fact that I was looking for a ship named "Tomorrow" as described earlier in the movie that made the name just a little more mundane and therefore not as overstated as it would have been coming at me from out of the blue.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it came at me outta the blue; packed theaters are truly becoming intolerable, and I am gonna tell the next TV-room-comfy idiots who talk to fuck off straightaway instead of shushing (which works for about 2 minutes).

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

xpost

little is right, cutty

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

you are a little man if you do not love 12 monkeys

funny, all my favorite films are in this thread

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's great movie)

fixed

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

What's to say really? Shiny happy veneer cracks momentarily on an aristocrat, reveals maggots underneath, film at 11.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

what I mostly remember from 12 Monkeys is Pitt's ass, Frank Gorshin, and wishing I was watching La Jetee.

The birth scene was what, 3 minutes long? Using an animatronic baby does not excuse that, and the lack of mess.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

TOMORROW ... disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness.

the name of the boat didn't make me cringe that way but calling the kid(s) "Dylan" sort of did

Bob will save us all!

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

wishing I was watching La Jetee

God you're a pretentious prick.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you think that's pretentious?

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

12 Monkeys was meh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Better than Hostel though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

what game Alex was playing

grid wars 2

http://www.universo-nintendo.com/files/Imagenes/Grid_Wars2.jpg

― max (maxreax), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Preferring anything in French to anything with Bruce Willis = pretentious to the incisive barometer of fluxhead (Willis was good too).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Willis isn't my problem with 12 Monkeys. It's EVERYONE else!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well not everyone. Christopher Plummer and David Morse are good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

the tone that persists for the first few scenes after that first explosion really impressed me. i almost wish julianne moore didn't bring it up.

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

The game being played was giving me hardcore flashbacks to playing Hyperframe. (Which, incidentally, rules.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

that would be pretty awesome.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking "Intelligent Qube"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Also Dan, re: Julianne Moore as immigrant/refugee -- I actually didn't notice that many Germans getting packed off, I guess, and certainly no Americans, and she was married to an Englishman at one point, immigration-wise, and was an activist long before any of this got started, etc.: I guess I'm just saying it was another of those things that's not absolutely spelled out and pinned down. (There's a nice complicated mix on both sides, with both foreign and apparently native Fish, and a couple refugees who seem as British as anyone, which does a good job of suggesting some massive, realistic complex of deportation laws/programs.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering why they are called the Fish. it made me think of the early Christian fish symbol but other than that I wasn't sure.

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

the native Fish are called "Carp" or something possibly more clever than that

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

cod

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I interpreted the first (only? the others were Rom, I thought) woman as Jewish rather than German.

xp - I loved the Cod/'English Fish' line.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

There were at least two immigrants who spoke German in the movie; the first was the woman in the cage complaining about being locked up with big black men (me in theatre: "Oh no she didn't!" everyone else: "Que????") and the person (can't remember if it was a man or woman now) who was complaining about being hungry, I think on the bus into hell...? I can't remember precisely where that happened but I definitely remember that Germans were not at all on the "cool" list.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Schwartze = Philip Roth to me, for the first woman.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think I got the gist from her gestures and "schwarze" (same in German and Yiddish, yes?).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

La Jetee isn't pretentious - it's only half an hour long!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah they are similar. It sounded like full-blown German to me, esp. when she said (paraphrase) "Ich verstehe es gar nichts!" = "I don't understand this at all!"

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

There's a very good thread here (that I can't find at the moment) that gets into the 1982 sociology of Blade Runner (urban anxiety, white flight, fear of Asian economic immigration)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

La Jetee isn't pretentious - it's only half an hour long!

Right, right, duration and pretense being inextricably tied and all.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Now I have a DVD rip of this thanks to my t0rrentzzz loving brother: really psyched to be able to freeze it and just study some of the details.

In another day or so I might check this out http://www.thehumanprojectlives.org/indexnew.php

But... I usually hate things like it. With the exception of those 'Lost' videos and a few peeks at the message boards for the Wire I think I've never participated in such folly.

Ohhhhh man they want me to redeem "credits" for like a photo of myself and a ticket stub? Sorry.

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Saturday, 13 January 2007 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

Out on DVD Monday!

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

in the uk...

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Saturday, 13 January 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

In some ways it seemed like a short film, I guess because of the simplicity of the premise and the abrupt ending (but obv. it was not that short and really well-done).

--couple of good joeks in unexpected places

--vibe and look kinda reminded me of 28 Days Later

--great kitten

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

The DVD packaging/sleeve/extras are rubbish.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

If loving La Jetee more than 12 Monkeys (a very good movie) is wrong, then...

No, fuck that, loving La Jetee over 12 Monkeys isn't wrong at all.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

that wasn't the issue

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

i like both.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

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