slaves, tell me about 50 Shades of Grey

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Just whistle thru your teeth and spit

Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:10 (fourteen years ago)

"Touch of Grey" could be the prequel

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

The 50 shades of grey album would be a mashup of to the extreme and the kids of widney high

the conch is a well worn copy of the AD&D Fiends Folio (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:52 (fourteen years ago)

People are assuming a movie will be made because the books made a gajillion dollars and Universal bought the film rights.

...for at least a few million.

Odd Spice (Eazy), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

the author and agent got the prestige track record of James Schamus’ Focus Features, backed by the guaranteed passion of Langley, who chased this one hard.

Ang Lee, maybe?

Odd Spice (Eazy), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

I have an idea for a film. It’s about an innocent creative executive who is drawn into the dangerous and erotic world of slash fiction writing after he boss assigns her to comb through Twilight fan faction sites looking for an idea he can rip off.

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goole, Thursday, 31 May 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

haha "chance"

The author and agent did a similar thing when they set Fifty Shades of Grey up with a publisher. They chose Random House because they wanted the backing and bucks of a big publishing house with a Vintage imprint that gives the trilogy the chance to be regarded as literature and not some trashy sex novel.

goole, Thursday, 31 May 2012 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

People are assuming a movie will be made because the books made a gajillion dollars and Universal bought the film rights.

...for at least a few million.

― Odd Spice (Eazy), Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

the $4 million or whatever film option fee has to be a relatively small fraction of the grosses from 10+ million in book sales

some dude, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

i thought the $4m option only gets paid out if the film gets green lighted? idk

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:35 (fourteen years ago)

The whole time this thread's been around I've been reading the title in the voice of Toby from the American Splendor movie. "SHLAAAVES, tell me about FIFB-TY SHADES of GREY."

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Thursday, 31 May 2012 21:37 (fourteen years ago)

"You can't have any of my White-castle Ham-burgers, SHLAAAVES"

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Thursday, 31 May 2012 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

50 worst synonyms in 50 Shades of Grey

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 1 June 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

I like my women sentient and receptive

well who doesn't, really

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

looool @ sentient

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

More words bad!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

can we talk for a second about enervating energy tho

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

most of those are fine

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

even "sentient and receptive" fits better with the clinical dryness of the rest of the line than the suggested replacement augh what the fuck am i doing

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

I'm still stuck on decadent hair. xxp

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

oh man, thesaurus abuse is one of my favorite things to spot!

these are such classics.

endeavoring to quell my nerves made me lol

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

The offense: “My subconscious nods sagely, a you’ve-finally-worked-it-out-stupid look on her face.”

The fix: Stop personifying your subconscious.

this is the best, fuiud

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

shoulda stopped at 20 worst and only put the really bad ones

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah a lot of those "corrections" sound worse than the originals, at least out of context.

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

Yes, some of this seems a bit nitpicky. It's not like this is Iowa writer's workshop.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:07 (fourteen years ago)

“For the first time in my life, I voluntarily go for a run … I need to expend some of this excess, enervating energy.”

I dare anyone to defend this

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

"all this energy, it's so TIRING; I'd better go running"

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

I don't get that article. In the first ten examples, there's only one that I can see that is problematic, and that's the use of tautology. The rest, well, they're just words. And relatively common words at that. Making the words simpler/more Germanic/less Romantic (in the linguistic sense, obv) don't change whether the writing is good at all.

emil.y, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

*doesn't change, sorry.

emil.y, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, there are a couple lelegit offenses in there, especially the words with nearly duplicate meanings, but most of the words highlighted in that article are acceptable choices. Looks like Patti shot at the broad side of a barn and missed.

Convert simple JEEZ to BDSMcode (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

16-17.

The offense: “He sits down beside me and buckles himself into his seat, then begins a protracted procedure of checking gauges and flipping switches and buttons from the mind-boggling array of dials and lights and switches in front of me.”

The fix: “He sits down beside me and buckles himself into his seat, then begins a dragged-out process of checking gauges and flipping switches and buttons from the mind-boggling array of dials and lights and switches in front of me.”

Yeah, no. If anything, you want "drawn-out process," but there's nothing wrong with "protracted."

"Dragged-out process?" Really?

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

“My heart is in my mouth as I reread his epistle and I huddle in the spare bed practically hugging my Mac.”

I would like to see a defense of this, too

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm scrolling down some more and I think I might hate whoever wrote this article more than James herself. FFS, do you REALLY think that people won't understand the word "immaterial"? Or "imploring"? What the hell is wrong with you? Yes, cut tautology and cliche, that's fine, but essentially what they're suggesting is that these words are alien and pretentious, when they're perfectly fucking serviceable words with real meanings.

emil.y, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

The offense: “He hits me again, and the pain pulses and echoes along the line of the belt. Holy shit … that smarts.”

The fix: “He hits me again, and the pain pulses and echoes along the line of the belt. Holy shit … that hurts.”

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

emil.y -- you make an interesting point! that's why i think at least 30 of those are a matter of personal preference rather than straight thesaurus abuse.

there's an added wrinkle:
i have noticed that there's also a general tendency among (young?) writers to regard flowery language as pretentious and "simple" language preferred as a way to communicate down-to-earthness. using "look" as a transitional word to change the subject of the next paragraph, preferring phrasal verbs to precise verbs, using conversational language to communicate accessibility while discussing something that is possibly considered at least somewhat highfalutin, like politics or w/e.

that's another topic though.

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

IMO, what the author of this article is suggesting is that these words are being used to bring a veneer of sophistication to some stupid bullshit

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

The offense: Fifty Shades of Grey
The fix: Don't Read It

jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

flowery -- in other words, vocabulary-strong (versus vocabulary-weak, using a phrase where a word will do, etc)
these are not formal terms, i'm just trying to speak descriptively

what i mean is that it's a sociolinguistic piece rather than a word police piece

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

“My heart is in my mouth as I reread his epistle and I huddle in the spare bed practically hugging my Mac.”

The problem with this is not 'epistle' in itself. It's that "my heart is in my mouth" is a down-home cliche, followed up with the archaic term (which while relatively accepting referring to a letter hasn't really transferred to use re: email, so the 'Mac' thing is problematic for that reason), there are too many active clauses that don't really work in a single sentence (heart in mouth, rereading, huddling, hugging), over-specificity re: Mac...

emil.y, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

The offense: “He hits me again, and the pain pulses and echoes along the line of the belt. Holy shit … that smarts.”

The fix: “He hits me again, and the pain pulses and echoes along the line of the belt. Holy shit jeez … that hurts.”

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

exactly -- structurally (syntactically) and even pragmatically the sentence is +/- ok
it's the precise combination of everything that leaves us with a bad taste in our mouths, which is a matter of style and sociolinguistic implications as much as word abuse

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:19 (fourteen years ago)

which is interesting!

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:19 (fourteen years ago)

My heart is in my mouth. It's chewy and tastes of offal. I feel faint.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:20 (fourteen years ago)

i once worked with a freelancer at a weekly paper, and one day her piece came in and contained the phrase, "... those Broadway shows you know and ardor."
it was doubly in need of changing because

(1) ardor is a noun, and you were clearly looking for a substitute verb for "love" only she looked under the nominal definition carelessly and
(2) you can't replace one word in a cliche and expect it to sound good. it will not sound good, it will sound double bad

so it was a complicated problem, more than just word police OR my personal style preference

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:22 (fourteen years ago)

you = she in (1) oops pardon my bad editing there

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:22 (fourteen years ago)

I blame the current state of creative writing curricula, and how teachers in general have learned to coach students on writing.

Show, don't tell. Use no adjectives. Use only plain language. Frustrated MFA grads have complained that they were still having this advise pounded into their heads late in their programs.

These are useful maxims for beginners. They reign in a lot of bad writing, but they are over-taught and they are not the end-all and be-all of rhetoric and style.

Convert simple JEEZ to BDSMcode (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:24 (fourteen years ago)

Exactly -- that's what I mean, it's a part of language that comes and goes with the tides and most people aren't aware that their tide isn't the only one

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

i always find the anti-adjective campaign weird (there's one now!). it's adverbs that need to be stamped out most of the time.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:26 (fourteen years ago)

Also, as is made clear in the article above, some people have extreme ideas of what counts as flowery.

Convert simple JEEZ to BDSMcode (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:31 (fourteen years ago)

it's the precise combination of everything that leaves us with a bad taste in our mouths, which is a matter of style and sociolinguistic implications as much as word abuse

I just read a whole book on this topic:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517Mbej3AuL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:32 (fourteen years ago)

that's another lesson that people were taught, and comes and goes with the tides. there is nothing wrong with adverbs if you are not overusing them, or using them as sloppy shorthand for something else. re: "modifier phobia" http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3453

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:33 (fourteen years ago)


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