slaves, tell me about 50 Shades of Grey

yeah the mainstreaming of it is in and of itself pretty noteworthy and awful, just saying

we're over here watching porn that has serious cinematic merit

I only watch it for the interviews

amazing angles iirc

Yeah see I think if people want erotica there is already A HUGE AMOUNT of it out there (and lots of it is awesome!) and likewise if they want power-play or BDSM or to experiment with pain in certain contexts or w/e there is a lot of ground already broken for them by people who had to go outside mainstream thought and/or media and/or boundaries to create it or legitimize it or whatever. But the fandom around THESE books doesn't cognitively lead to discovering the real material, it just shoves junk food in the part of the self that was starting to have some ideas about maybe looking for something different.

If I dig down a couple more layers of logical complication, I think that is basically evil--boring, banal evil, redirecting people away from wanting anything they're not already being offered for someone else's profit.

some dude, it's the mainstream, bookstore-display, talkshow popularity & acceptance that's remarkable, not its shoddy sexiness per se.

p.s. i'll have you know i have downloaded some very artful porn in my time, thanks a bunch

the solution is obv to rid the world of soccer

soccer and hfcs

But the fandom around THESE books doesn't cognitively lead to discovering the real material, it just shoves junk food in the part of the self that was starting to have some ideas about maybe looking for something different.

If I dig down a couple more layers of logical complication, I think that is basically evil--boring, banal evil, redirecting people away from wanting anything they're not already being offered for someone else's profit.

― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:26 PM (6 minutes ago)

eh, i see it as the sale of junk food to people who really, really like and want junk food. somebody's just managed to find a good way to inject some "racy" kink-sex into the equation. i imagine that if this book were different in any appreciable way, it'd be a good deal less popular. most books are a good deal less popular, after all, and it's not like there isn't other, more genuinely subversive erotica available out there.

Well, yes, there is that. Which is the best argument for pretty much dropping people who are really into junk food imo.

i keep trying to say this but idk if it really matters: the phenomenon of the books' sudden popularity is more complicated than it looks.

the media meta-analysis is "what is with this bdsm stuff being so huge now?!" but that's not really accurate. this is not "actual bdsm" emerging into barnes&noble, it's slash fiction

i'm sort of waiting for a salon article about for-real bdsm ppl rolling their eyes or getting huffy at all this, if it hasn't already been written.

It's the Pachelbel's Canon in D of erotica

ha that's great

the mainstream is the worst

the "debeers diamond song"

more like the taco bell canon mirit

cannot tell you how much i love pachelbel's canon in D

Which is the best argument for pretty much dropping people who are really into junk food imo.

let them have junk

Canon in Deeznuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZn__5dT7qw

if ilx had avatars, i think 1:00-1:05 would be a popular choice.

SPLASH fiction

could SPLASH be the new *plop*

I'm half expecting this to be revealed as James Frey's latest project. Maybe this writer shouldn't write again, but she should be put in charge of the romance segment of a major publisher. However it happened, she felt, desired, and ultimately put her finger on the product that the pro's hadn't felt for her yet. Her solution was to give away the merchandise, build the interest, step 3, and then make a cover without a photo Photoshopped to look like a painting that resembled the cover of a romance book in the traditional sense.

My store has been setting record sales, but to Hunger Games fans. We don't have a good hand-sale for the next. We're weeks away. It's been fun, I'm drunk at the moment. I can't get it up anymore. When they ask for it, I always tell them they're already soaking in it.

I'm half expected the last post to be revealed as E. L. James's latest project.

Guys, I was standing next to this burly/fat mid 30s slightly smelly hispanic dude on the subway this morning, and I glimpsed, over his shoulder, on his iphone, a page of text with the word "jeez" and further down the word "Christian."

I find the entire concept of "subversive erotica" baffling

cumminists

stop right there

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need ...

the man said stop right there

ilx threads need a killswitch

Dictatorship of the Prostatariat

socialtits

hummer and tickle

Marxist Dialickedick

goo log

Hundred Deflowers Campaign

Remove Buttplug from this Thread

Suggest Bondage

Flagellate Post

Pooperlink

Convert simple JEEZ to BDSMcode

"Turn Back!" cried my Inner-Poxy Fule.

oh, analpaws

older black lady working at potbelly at midway airport was shoving this into her purse as she arrived at work

truly, a work that crosses age and ethnic barriers

Kinda curious how they'll get a PG13 rating out of the movie adaption

Three Words: Big Black Bars.

response option confusion

Can't wait to see how they're gonna turn this into a PG-13 movie

― ʕ•̫͡ʕ•̫͡ʕ•̫͡ʕ•̫͡•ʔ•̫͡•ʔ•̫͡•ʔ•̫͡•ʔ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:23 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Kinda curious how they'll get a PG13 rating out of the movie adaption

― Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:31 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

Kinda curious why people would assume they would even try to get that rating. if The Hangover and The Matrix and Pretty Woman can be as successful as they were with R ratings, and the whole draw of the book is sex, why would they tone it down any more than they'd have to to avoid NC17?

not sure why anyone assumes a 50 shades movie will ever be made? there are some pretty key formal differences between fanfic and film that would prevents its success in the latter form

remove the generic, non-descript narrator that readers project themselves onto, tone down the graphic sex, what's even left? tbh i think the first-person 'everywoman' pov is pretty crucial to the appeal

but i guess i can't rule out that the movie might happen, worse & stranger things have happened.

if this does get made into a movie i cannot WAIT to see who gets cast in the role of the inner goddess