THE MASTER (2012) P.T. Anderson's film on the origions of Scientology (sort of), Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Phoenix, Amy Adams, and Laura Dern

Morbs, I want numbers! Show me the numbers!

i actually think PTA would be trolling harder if this film actually portrayed LRH in a sympathetic light than if it were a merciless debunking of all things scientology. that's not to say that trolling is the best or noblest thing he could do with this film.

i think it's legit and fascinating to wonder about how l ron hubbard understood himself and related to others. i can only imagine that being surrounded by a bunch of people who believe steadfastly in your quasi-divinity and made-up mumbo-jumbo might actually cause you to be contemptuous of people in general. but i can't really see a way to tell the LRH story without the ultimate verdict being pretty damning, because you know....

If Phillip Seymour Hoffman's character is supposed to be an LRH stand-in, does anyone know Phoenix's character's historical analogue?

tom cruise

Heinlein

amateurist OTM. i'm guessing the phoenix character might be the first person 'LRH' actually 'helps,' and who, from the trailer, actually seems in need of help? cultism aside, a lot of scientologists credit the system for liberating them from long histories of substance abuse, which i think most people would agree is a noble cause. so is he helping the helpless, or exploiting the weak, or both? this is the stuff i'm hoping the movie addresses, i'll probably be happy with whatever tho.

A drifter (Phoenix) becomes his right-hand man but as the faith begins to gain a fervent following, the drifter finds himself questioning the belief system and his mentor.

The drifter becomes the drifted.

if this turns out to be a "debunking" of scientology i'll eat my shoe

well he already debunked porn, oil and frogs, it was just a matter of time before he found the next target of his michael moore-style takedowns

debunking frogbs

Teaser Number 2!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5U8eyMFCpJw

Attempt 2 to embed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U8eyMFCpJw

i've got a feeling this film is going to have music in it

cool

Damn great. Wonderful to finally get a sense of how Hoffman is doing this.

Dunphy: “There’s another feature of today that is unique, it’s an honour for Liam to be sitting in between two former Millwall footballers – and it’s not often two former Millwall footballers appear on television.”

Sadlier: “Privileged.”

Brady: “Where do Millwall ex players usually appear? In the dock?”

Maloney: “We’d like to distance ourself from those remarks – and so would Liam.”

brady's best ever zing? can't wait for video of this to emerge.

Me neither.

gah wrong thread

I was wondering if I missed something in the trailer.

i wish they were in it

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oh wow. i'd heard the 'loaf of bread' part of that but not the context.

Just stopping by to list two things I love:

• Magnolia
• Julianne Moore

Agree with ALS & Morbs that Hard Eight is his most fully realized movie. I saw Hrd8 after Boogie Nights, Magnolia, & Punch-Drunk. I was exctatic. PDL is his only movie I feel ambivalent about.

WRT Magnolia and TWBB, I love a great hot mess of a movie.

stoked for the madness.

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stoked for the madness.

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http://thefilmstage.com/trailer/first-theatrical-trailer-for-paul-thomas-anderson%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98the-master%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-philip-seymour-hoffman-converts-joaquin-phoenix/

just came to post it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1O1vb9AUU

wow

stoooooooooked

Brilliant. Going to be great.

joaquin & psh is srsly the best duo imaginable

And Landry from Friday Night Lights is also in it for good measure.

As I see someone else has mentioned upthread. I guess I'm just too excited.

Seems to me it's only very loosely based on scientology? Ie, a religion is created after ww2.

By this definition, NBC's The Office is only very loosely based on BBC's The Office.

i put "sort of" in the thread title

i love how authentically of the period joaquim looks. i think its the gauntness that does it, he usually looks fleshier

oh yeah i wasn't targeting that at you grady, just curious as to whether the scientology thing is just a red herring.

on a separate note, the amount of brilliantined hair in popular culture is off the scale lately.

surprised by quite how thinly veiled it is going by that trailer

i love how authentically of the period joaquim looks. i think its the gauntness that does it, he usually looks fleshier

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yeah otm - it isn't a kinda guy-with-his-hair-gelled thing. the exterior shots of him walking around look so photographic & well-coloured, too.

Seems to me it's only very loosely based on scientology? Ie, a religion is created after ww2.

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ehh i think PSH reading off a list of characteristics, & the focus on specifically eligible individuals is p OTM for scientology. this should be rad, like PSH as an unerring intense outsider is almost too perfect for him but it could be his weird gatsby moment.

Yeah it's pretty much dropping signifiers re: L. Ron and crew left and right, so it's not really loosely based at all -- that one moment with Hoffman's character's son talking about making it up as he goes along further helped seal the deal; L. Ron Jr. looks amazingly like his dad, which they were clearly going for there, and split from his father's path decades ago.

But what's nice is that, as far as I know, Phoenix's character isn't based on anyone in specific -- it gives Anderson obvious and necessary flexibility, as well as letting he and Phoenix take whatever specific path they want with him.

It's not about Scientology like The Crucible is not about the red scare

agree with everyone - this looks very promising

amy adams is so good