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Dude, this thread isn't about hipsters, it's about morphing pictures of your face onto things, have you read it?

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 12 June 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how you can tell what subcultures people were into before rave from the dancing style they bring to it, all these 120bpm versions of metal, indie, pop, jarvis-cocker-does-cruel-imitation-of-rachel-stevens-pastiche (may just be me).

Hahahahahah! YEh, all my metal friends do weird punching-circle dances when they go to raves, like a friendly but more ballistic style of moshing.

What's happening in Brighton? I'd really like to go but I'm not very rich and I want to lay off getting rat-arsed again until Glastonbury. Tell me next time something's on and I'll definitely turn up.

― dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 12 June 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The circle punching dance is amazing! It's like they have a big lump of putty in their hand that they're squashing really flat.

Brighton is this big outdoor party, it sounds awesome, I'm pretty excited about it. I only know one person who's going, so I'll get the details off them tomorrow or something...

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 12 June 2004 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hangon, this isn't the Glade festival is it?

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3647/heresdoggy.jpg

Heeeeeeeere's DOGGY!

― don (don), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, I am going to Glade though! I'm sharing a tent with these four gorgeous fashionista girls, somehow, I kinda can't wait.

xpost: HAHAHAHAHA

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

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Come To Doggy

― don (don), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

JESUS CHRIST! AARGH! I really do have a freakish face! I'm not sure I can look at those! Nice one though!

greg: you lucky bastard. my friend told me about Glade and I think he wants to go. Well, so do I but I really have to save money before my bank manager puts me in thumbtacks and makes me be the Queen's personal rickshaw monkey for not paying back my overdraft. I'm quite pissed off about not going to either of those.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

F: I'm really worried about it! I've never done any drugs, really.
G: F____, you do coke all the time.
F: That's different though!

Couldn't you sell your time-travelling memoirs, D?

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm quite pissed off about not going to either of those.

um, I meant Brighton and the Glade, not thumbtacks and rickshaws.

Anyway, onwards and upwards.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 13 June 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I don't count coke as a proper drug. It's like, "Here, have some of this- it's really great, it makes you shout at people about money". Coke isn't a drug-user's drug. It's for dicks. Maybe I sound like a dick for saying it, but it's true.

Couldn't you sell your time-travelling memoirs, D?

No, because Goebbels brainwashed me in 1940 so I'd forget everything.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 13 June 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

dog latin correct re: raves. nearly always a strange and interesting mix of people at raves. a sense of who the hell are all these people, that seem to be coming from loads of different milieus

― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 13 June 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

[didn't read massive load of posts]

BOOM-TS-TS-BOOM-TS-BOOM-TS-etc.-rpt.-ad-naseum-til-passout-ono-rnadom-couch

― wasted (nickalicious), Sunday, 13 June 2004 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, yeah let's have a thread about clubs vs. raves it will go on forever and will eventually subsume ILX entirely.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 13 June 2004 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I ran into this thread late - so is it OK for me to hate on suburbanites (basically LA-area B&T'ers) who come into my town, take up our parking spaces, and fuck up our beach? k thanks

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the cover of a book can be appreciated for being a good cover i.e. a striking, inspiring design and image. however, the actual book content could be not at all to your tastes or even fit a general perception of crapness. but hey, it had a nice cover. does that count for anything? that's up to you and your valuation system.

this is also true of people. and perhaps the hipster critics are commenting based on their past experiences - finding the book covers to be a front for a crap book all too often.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the people/book thing stands up. It just doesn't make sense. I mean, at all!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

does to me. in that people are often judged by how they look, irrespective of the possibility that their image does not really reflect their personality, perhaps intentionally, perhaps mistakenly. but judged they remain, and as you pointed out upthread image is important in conveying a message about you, no? why doesn't it make sense? do you not consider mark and co's opinion to be understandable if not reasonable?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You can tell loads about people *and* books from how they look obv.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe but how accurate it is is another matter, which is my point

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I just think it's not the right analogy. I need to think about why, beyond "books are something which are in shelves in my room, people are not", if that's not adequate enough in itself.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you were like that with the Mcdonalds/pop music argument as well two years ago. i don't know why you need to be so pragmatic about it dude other than a resentment of cliches - which i understand and share to an extent.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

cliches are cliches because they are true

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

perhaps another interesting and relevant thing about all this is the age difference between the pros and the antis - the pros seem to be younger

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

What a revolutionary idea!

Clubbing! It's something you grow out of!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

dog latin is young, though.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Next week: old people dislike rock music and driving too fast! (Except Alex in NYC)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is useful because it taught me what Bridge and Tunnel means, dont know why the people called their bar/club that.

as regards Bridge and Tunnel, I suppose I am the archetypal Bridge and Tunneler. started when I was 16, travelling thorguh bridges and tunels on the train to london from my beloved CommuterTown home in search of the bright lights of Gilles Peterson et al. carried on doing so until this day, except i have moved to london recently, so i guess i can't keep on calling myself that.

But really, central london is full of people travelling in to go out cos there isnt so much good nightlife further out of zone 1. if you are presented with the nightlife opportunities of say, Hemel Hempstead (viz. Visage and Ethos at leisureworld), then a trip to london seems pretty attractive.

to be honest, if you move to eg. clerkenwell, which has fabric, turnmills, fluid, lifthouse etc. then you have to think before you move there: "hmmmm loads of bars/nightclubs here, maybe better move somewhere quieter".
Is it not like moving to Gillespie Road and complaining that every Saturday loads of Arsenal fans come down, piss in gardens, leave litter everywhere, make loads of noise etc etc?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

true, i am only 23 and i was exposed to clubbing form the ages of 17-21.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

don't take it like that kate, i'm actually referring to those that Gareth is taking issue with (of whom you were not one). perhaps age is a factor there - even if there's only a few years gap. and this was about hipsters/irony lovers/whatever not clubbing per se.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The clubbing thing also ties in with my hippie idea that it's the drug of the nation. Young people today will be one day be remembered as the clubbers, the ibiza holidayers - not the Punks, not the Hippies, not the Teds or the Ravers or the Mods or the Rockers. There's nothing rebellious about clubbing - it's a capitalist's wet dream. Keep all the hotheaded youngsters locked in a little box and let gorillas keep them under control. If they take drugs or get in fights, it doesn't matter because they're spending a lot of money and they're doing it well out of our way.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

stop harshing my anti-establishment buzz dude. also, how's my hair?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

In the words of an old friend of mine, a Hacienda veteran: "It might as well have been Norman Tebbit handing out those e's".

― Tag (Tag), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of those threads where you really want to respond to something, then you find you're only halfway down it and that topic is long done. But Gareth otm, generally.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder if he ever gets tired of being otm all the time

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth takes The Money, spends on deerstalker hats.

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

and frozen pizzas.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(Haha Ronan, see when you say "the whole book/cover analogy is flawed", I think, "YES EXACTLY!!! FUCK THE COVER!!!!!" Perhaps I should find a new catchphrase so that people don't think I'm trying to be "deep".)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Young people today will be one day be remembered as the clubbers, the ibiza holidayers - not the Punks, not the Hippies, not the Teds or the Ravers or the Mods or the Rockers. There's nothing rebellious about clubbing - it's a capitalist's wet dream.

In other words, just like the Hippies, Mods, etc. I don't think young people *today* will be remembered for clubbing -- maybe the late '80s lot. But not us. i mean, people still listen to psychedelic music, punk music -- but that won't define the early naughties either.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique - no one's going to remember this generation as being in psychedelic music. Up until fairly recently you couldn't switch on the telly without youth culture programmes "banging" on about clubbing and Ibiza and Ayia Napa etc. At least hippies, mods etc tried to have a social or political outlook or at least make some kind of statement in the interest of their generation. The only statement clubbers make is that they've given up and would rather just chug money into large corporations and dodgy looking "businessmen" in black suits.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what I mean -- club music (house, trance) went down the dumper and is now strickly minority. Things have changed a lot in the last decade. I don't think 4/4 music defines us -- the big popular music scene since the late nineties has been rnb/hip-hop, and to an extent, garage. Mods were ultra-conformist anyway.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i would agree with that based on what i hear booming out of cars the last few years (never 4/4 unlike ten years or so ago)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck statements in the interests of their generation, the statement in clubbing was the music.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That's great Ronan -- a brilliant defence of the total fucking apathy and willed stupidity of a generation.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Music is music, as soon as you suggest it has to do one thing or another you're making rules. If that is what's caused this generation to be apathetic then fine, rather that than a horrible mélange of political opinion, taste, fashion etc.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Music is music, as soon as you suggest it has to do one thing or another you're making rules.

Well, the purpose of the music comes out of the context, and the of the subculture we're talking about was retrogressive-escapist. Although the music doesn't *have* to be used for that (oh no rules oh no) these are interesting times to be completely ignoring.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

club music isn't necessarily 4/4. I wasn't even talking about the music, I was talking about clubbers, and clubbers are what the current generation is about.

Enrique OTM. This "it's all about the music, fuck the politics" attitude is half the reason i'm against it. Not that I'm saying we should stop having fun and start listening to Billy Bragg and RATM, of course, but it would be nice to think that my generation had a bit more "umph" to it, especially in this political climate. Maybe clubbing is a backlash against the whole "Generation X" thing. Even recently abandoned style/social movements like Grunge were non-conformist to an extent. Club culture is the antipathy of this - it's about spending money on fashion, spending money on door and coat tariffs, spending money on drink and cocaine. The most rebellious/dangerous thing about clubbing is the obligatory after hours brawl that ensues whether you like it or not.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure what definition of "club" we're going on here, I presume not a very wide one.

Essentially the above reads to me like "the kids nowadays drink too much and it's all just grab grab grab, and then fights too!".

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

there is a narrow definition of politics at work here

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

these are interesting times to be ignored

I was shocked and surprised as a freshman to see how rife the "blahblahblah I'm not listening" attitude amongst my peers. I don't think I ever had one decent deep-n-meaningful* with anyone within the three years I was there. Students either got angry, questioned why I was trying to get "all clever" on them or just acted plain bored if ever anything came up. This attitude seemed to be exponential with the popularity of club culture, and ironic cheesy discos. It wasn't cool to be interested, or to rebel, or to be non-conformist anymore.

*not as in "oh dear, my boy/girlfriend's dumped me, what do I do?" deep-n-meaningful. The other kind.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

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