it's four stories, of various lengths. more like ugetsu in that each of the four stories are ghost stories and are heavier on atmospherics and suspense than "horror" per se. personal favorite is the second story -- "the woman in the snow" -- which features some rather striking backgrounds and use of color:
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― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
more like ugetsu than onibaba, i meant.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I agree with the quotidian-defenders on that count. While I may prefer an ambiguous line, if you're going to break through the ambiguity then banality of evil is much scarier to me than spooky superpowered evil.
― emil.y, Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:46 AM (3 hours ago)
catching up here, but no way! quotidian horror (stabby man, crazy brain, dark conspiracy, etc) will always be a pale shadow of real, supernatural, spookshow shit. give me ghosts, witches, devils, draculas and backwards dwarfs every time.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
there are exceptions (wicker man yay), but mostly i want the beyond, not the here and now
I prefer ghosty spooks to stabby man horror, actually. But I like crazy brain and futility of humanity horror the best.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
Stabby man is probably my least favourite form of horror, now I think about it.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
xxpost
It depends. The Descent worked beautifully in its first half, when it was dealing with concrete and realistic terror. And then it fell apart once it introduced the moleman heebie-jeebers.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
maybe this is a thread/poll of its own, but which of the following canonical supernatural spookshow shit is the scariest to each of you?
ghostswitchesdevilselves/faeriesvampireswerewolvespossessionslots of others that i've forgotten...
because for me, the scariest is always gonna be not entirely explain-awayable ghosts/possessions first, followed by witches, devils, etc, in inverse order of plausibility.
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
Ditto Jeepers Creepers. Really great while they were being harassed on the road, Duel-style. Turns to poop after monster reveal. xpost
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
ghosts have a versatility that none of the others do, but although it isnt on the list, theres a lot that can be done w/zombies
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
The Descent worked beautifully in its first half, when it was dealing with concrete and realistic terror. And then it fell apart once it introduced the moleman heebie-jeebers.
Totally agree. I was really annoyed when the silly monsters showed up.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
I don't really find any horror trope intrinsically scary, it's more about how it's depicted
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
and re jjj: david lynch has not only made some horror movies, he's a horror filmmaker. he's completely dedicated to the genre, just as much so as hooper, romero or craven. not only that, he's the greatest working horror filmmaker we've got. i only voted for a few DL films in this poll, and only the most explicitly horrific (i.e., not blue velvet), but i can't see why anyone would claim that he's not making "real" horror films. his movies are more genuinely terrifying than 99% of what gets covered in fangoria.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
yeah xxxp stabby man horror is the worst (unless done Argento or De Palma style). Halloween is probably going to place way too highly on this list imho
― Chris S, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
If you need the terror to be corporeal, avoid Val Lewton.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
I find zero (0) of those canonical superstars intrinsically scary. Except maybe possessions, but that's because it manifests itself with the physical reality of a medical problem. Ghosts can be scary, too, but again, that's when they play up the natural "something's in the house" fear, a la Paranormal Activity.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
it's more about how it's depicted
Agree--my favourites are all over the spectrum.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
Oh god, I'm tempted to go through my list and statistically analyse the 'big bad' of them all, just to see if what I think my preferences are actually hold true...
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder when polanski's /the tenant/ will show up.
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
not to get armchair analytical about it, but i kind of wonder if zombies are so great b/c they tap into a primal fear of an inverted pecking order coupled with a dead/not dead uncanniness. which reminds me to write my zombie dinosaur pilot.
THEY WILL EAT YOU
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
i'm just specifically interested in the otherworldly, in horror-as-fantasy, and i'm always disappointed when what seems fantastical is revealed only to be delusional imaginings.
okay, that's not always true. if the delusion is maintained and not "explained", i love delusional POV
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
i dont want to go down the lynch rabbithole again, and in case i havent made it clear i am a HUGE lynch fan, but this
he's a horror filmmaker. he's completely dedicated to the genre, just as much so as hooper, romero or craven. not only that, he's the greatest working horror filmmaker we've got.
is just fucking madness.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
he's completely dedicated to the genre
yeah this is kinda pushing it
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
I always figured potency of zombies was simply the primordial fear of being eaten by a ravenous pack. If that well-dressed living room group at the end or Rosemary's Baby turned on Rosemary and started mobbing her, it'd look no different than those no-make-up zombies pressing in at the end of Night of the Living Dead.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
also i want to say that i am willing to make a strong argument for stabby man horror, at least in the modern era. i am normally about ten times more interested in the semi to non supernatural than not.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
"Steven Spielberg's first movie proved no PIT STOP! He was in it for the LONG HAUL!"
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81. DUELSteven Spielberg, USA, 1971(224 points, 8 votes)
is DUEL steven spielberg's best film? does anyone else think this? i just saw it for the first time tonight and was pretty blown away. the concept sounds ridiculous (a horror movie that takes place entirely in broad daylight on a highway), but it totally works. the shot of the truck in the tunnel when its demonic-looking lights suddenly come on is one of the scariest things i've ever seen in a movie. there's no explicit suggestion that the truck is supernatural, which makes that moment all the more unnerving.― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, June 20, 2005 4:37 AM (6 years ago)It always cracks me up that the most intelligent movies of Spielberg's career were his first.― miccio (miccio), Monday, June 20, 2005 6:13 AM (6 years ago)"Duel" was a promising, good, disposable B-movie.― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:08 AM (6 years ago)
does anyone else think this? i just saw it for the first time tonight and was pretty blown away. the concept sounds ridiculous (a horror movie that takes place entirely in broad daylight on a highway), but it totally works. the shot of the truck in the tunnel when its demonic-looking lights suddenly come on is one of the scariest things i've ever seen in a movie. there's no explicit suggestion that the truck is supernatural, which makes that moment all the more unnerving.― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, June 20, 2005 4:37 AM (6 years ago)
It always cracks me up that the most intelligent movies of Spielberg's career were his first.― miccio (miccio), Monday, June 20, 2005 6:13 AM (6 years ago)
"Duel" was a promising, good, disposable B-movie.― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:08 AM (6 years ago)
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
my list seems pretty equal in its human lunatics, monsters, unexplained supernatural phenomenon, technological mishaps, appearances by the devil, unreliable pov, and who-the-hell-knows craziness.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
Not until the final day of the rollout, if there's any justice in this world.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
never bothered with Duel
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
zombies appeal to us on multiple levels - body horror, direct manifestation/confrontation of our own mortality, revulsion of rot and decay, fear of being consumed
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
duel is pretty great but im still surprised.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
yeah theres a reason that the zombie trope has never really died in the last 40+ years, theres just a lot more you can hang on zombie movies than say werewolf movies. i cant remember the name of it for the life of me, but there was a very strange sad movie out in the last few years that basically centered around a couple where one of them was becoming zombified over the course of the film, and it was pretty devestating. probably french or belgian, lemme look through my watched queue
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
70s TV movies are almost their own subgenre, and if they are going to be repped at all in this poll duel is a good candidate. either that or killdozer.
of course I'm going to give emily + eric a ration of shit if salem's lot places :)
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
the ghost to my mind is the scariest of the classic supernatural beasties. the ghost is scary because it is the unknown. the ghost isn't the guy in the sheet or the transparent lady, it's the sense of malevolent presence, the nameless terror that seized you in the dark when you were a kid, the shape glimpsed in peripheral vision that vanishes when you turn to face it, the fluid border of reality where that shadow might be a shrieking face or maybe just a chair. that, to me, is scary, is what horror movies are all about. doesn't matter whether you want the terrifying unknown to collapse back down into what seems "rationally possible" or whether you want it to open onto fantastical impossibilities (i want the latter). the essence of terror, to me, is what cannot yet be identified or fully perceived. therefore, the ghost.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
i have more of a director fetish than a particular horror trope fetish. except maybe that i like a bit of humor (intentional or otherwise) to leaven the mood a bit.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
Exciting new theory: truck in Duel was a zombie. Kept on coming, wouldn't die. No? OK, fine.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
though if i had to pick a horror beastie, i'm probably most partial to (pre-Twilight) vampires b/c they be so bad-ass.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah looking at my list it seems director (or total conception) trumps idea/subgenre/theme for me.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
High-five to the other 7 people who voted for Duel!
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
As I feel I've probably repeated ad nauseum in various horror threads, I think my number one horror trope is when the bindings of the sane world are loosened, be it a shared reality breaking down across the board or the more subjective tableau of watching a protagonist's sanity crumble (or a protagonist who thinks his/her sanity is crumbling). Off-kilter ambiguity that makes the viewer question the nature of the reality being presented will get me just about every time.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
also, a childhood filled with The Count from Sesame Street and Count Chocula might've also inured me to the charms of the undead.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
xpost
This is a lot of the reason why Lovecraft might be my favorite horror author.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not sure a truly scary vampire film exists. Would love to hear what I'm forgetting, though.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ oh man, this. First half so good, second half so bad.
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
thinking about what is likely to place in the top 10, it's going to be a pretty even mix of monsters, ghosts, demonic possession, and stabby mcstabbersons
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
^^^cosign
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
though it's plenty scary, i think of duel as a suspense thriller, not really as a horror movie. would say similar of picnic at hanging rock: it's an occult-tinged mystery that only briefly pushes into "scary movie" territory. not that anybody else is wrong to see them as proper horror films, just that i excluded them not for not meeting my personal criteria. love them both, fwiw. would vote for the former in a thriller poll, and the latter in mystery and maybe even fantasy (though it's pushing that boundary even harder than it is horror).
near dark is great and i regret not voting for it.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
stabby mcstabbersons
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lBRf0UgjFc
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:21 (fourteen years ago)