South Park: Classic or Dud?

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why oh why can't it be hug-bys?

latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Friday, 7 April 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

It was focused on how much they hate "Family Guy".

Yesterday's syndicated episode was the one where Butters tries to concoct diabolical plans (as Professor Chaos) but discovers that all his ideas had already been used on "The Simpsons". Do Matt and Trey have issues* with "The Simpsons" too?

*yes, I know they technically have issues with everyone and everything

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 April 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

No one has mentioned the calling-out-of-Isaac-Hayes's-hypocrisy yet (in this episode), so I will - and I thought it was kinda funny too.

Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Saturday, 8 April 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Dan about Family Guy, it makes me roffle

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 8 April 2006 04:57 (twenty years ago)

Me too, but the parody was totally OTM.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Saturday, 8 April 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

OTM but not funny.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Saturday, 8 April 2006 06:43 (twenty years ago)

What it lacked in funny it made up for in bile.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Saturday, 8 April 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

manatees, GREAT.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Do Matt and Trey have issues* with "The Simpsons" too?

I know it's hard to believe that SP would mention something without taking shots at it but I think it was actually a compliment to the Simpsons.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Do Matt and Trey have issues* with "The Simpsons" too?

The Simpsons parody is actually rather affectionate. And slightly pointless (the other storyline about the sea monkeys in that episode is much funnier).

xpost

chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

"I love 'Family Guy'! I mean, yeah it's all just random jokes, but I like that; at least they aren't trying to cram some kind of message down your throat every week."

That and the slapfight were really classic; everything else... eh.

Dan (Ball Dropped) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I kinda geeked out on the self-referencing here -- the "part 2 fake out: T&P fake out: part 2!", the Scott Tenerman reference (which was clearly where Cartman was going to go with that), the "Good, you're getting angry" bit. I'm surprised they didn't work in the Super Friends, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

The end bit with Bush and Jesus defecating all over an American flag was in fact much funnier than anything on "Family Guy".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Nothing made me LOL as much as the cop car flipping in the Part 1 chase.

Manatees with idea balls definitely post here.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

The end bit with Bush and Jesus defecating all over an American flag was in fact much funnier than anything on "Family Guy".

When a joke goes on for too long on "Family Guy", I usually find the uncomfortableness amusing. The whole thing with Bush and Jesus was wildly telegraphed in part I with the whole "THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS" stuff (given that this is South Park and they like to make everything ridiculous, symmetrical and usually involve something coming out of at least one ass) and as such I didn't think it was as funny as Matt and Trey probably hoped I would.

They completely wasted the Bart character, I thought.

Dan (Meh) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Dan is OTM, but Dave is yet more OTM, because no one is talking about how these episodes are just a further extension of their fury over after the fact censorship of their religious episodes: i.e. "I can't believe you Viacom bastards pulled our Bleeding Virgin Mary episode from a scheduled rerun because the Pope told you to, and our Scientology Episode from a scheduled rerun because Tom Cruise told you to."

The Muhammed cartoons, and Family Guy are just another way to mask their underlying point which is that the 1st amendment stands for the principle that they should be free to mock any religion they want without their episodes getting yanked by offended people in power. I think this season is brilliant so far, maybe not as laugh out loud funny as others, but very nuanced.

Ash (ashbyman), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Ash nails it on the head, I think.

Dan (Nice) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

last night's was the least funny of the season so far, but lack of laffs somewhat compensated for by me just being glad those guys are around.

it's weirdly appropriate (or appropriately weird) that comedy central is the Most Vital Political Network on tv right now. i don't like carlos mencia much, but even his little intro skit last night was smarter about immigration than anything on cnn.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Haha yeah, I kind of completely hate Carlos Mencia with a fiery, unhealthy passion but he's done at least several bits that show rational thought behind his unfunny; one about his "duh-duh-DUH!" jokes where he made the point that any joke about someone that you can't say in front of them isn't a joke, it's offensive bullshit, the other about the immigration cracks he was making last night, particularly when he slammed a female protestor for not the US not treating her like an American when she's waving around a Mexican flag.

Dan (Go Comedy Central) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Thank God people never get offended on bulletin boards.

The representation of the White House presscorps was righteous, tho it's impossible to discern an attitude toward W from having him explain the First Amendment. (I haven't seen the rest of the season.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

last night's was the least funny of the season so far

worse than "smug patrol"? no wai. not one of the best however.

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

"smug alert" rather

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

that need to do another movie

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

i like that Chef is still in the opener, only as Sith Chef.

Also, that Terence is still fat.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if this past Sunday's Family Guy was a rerun or not, but I found it to be insanely funny. I can't remember all the roffle-worthy parts, but Mayor West staring raptly at the tv and saying "Oh, Jem, you truly, truly, truly are outrageous!" sticks in my mind...Also, Jesus in the wifebeater shirt amid the domestic squalor was hi-larious. Part two of the South Park episode, however, served to underline for me how unfunny the writing on that show has been lately. Even with their self-effacing humor of "at least that show's not preachy..." it all seemed kind of labored, and didn't particularly tickle my funnybone.

For all of their "absolutely nothing is sacred- everything is fair game for poking fun at" they seem to be taking their own show a tad too seriously. I think certain episodes, especially circa 2002-2004 or thereabouts were totally genius, and I was mightily impressed by "Team America", but lately the show is pretty blah for me.

Dell (Dell), Friday, 14 April 2006 09:58 (twenty years ago)

I have to agree with Ash's comments, way xpost.

Plenty of things are funny, but the problem with our culture is that there is little satire. Satire, in its highest form, is the most moral of art forms, and it isn't entirely concerned with laughs. Trey and Matt aren't too liberal, but they are far from the closet conservatives people make them out to be. I remember the episode where the priest went to the pope to change the holy document of vatican law, and at the end, Stan says, "does this mean we have to go to church again?", and Stan's Dad replies "No son, it means we get to" Now, granted, he shits out of his mouth after saying this, but i've always found that shit to prevent the show from being too preachy. Another example is the brilliant katrina episode, where Stan tries to admit to starting the flood, but the town only thinks he is speaking symbollically (i.e. We all started the flood), and Stan gets mad when he can't accept responsibility because everyone is so blind to it.

Both of those cases show South Park's noble concern: Personal Morality and Responsibility. Again, NO ONE has the right NOT to be offended if a society decides support free speech. I think South Park went from being a wierd, funny little show about Anal Probes and Aliens to possibly the best Satire American Television has ever produced.

But I do agree that the last few weeks have been rather preachy, but the offenses made against Matt and Trey in the past few weeks are much worse.

JD from CDepot, Friday, 14 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

http://wwtdd.com/index.php?type=box&p=sp2.shtml

"jihad, jihad!"

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 03:01 (twenty years ago)

or not.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)

ok this is weird

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm a huge fan of South Park and I've seen every single episode multiple times, but the one tonight was the first that I couldn't even finish. Truly horrible. I hope Matt and Trey come out of their slump soon, even though the last few weren't too bad.

bob george, Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

Towelie gets over his drug addition and writes a moving book about his experiences. Thanks to Oprah’s support, the book becomes a best seller and his story inspires millions to turn their lives around. However, when he’s caught in a lie by the grand dame of daytime television, Towelie’s old habits start to look might appealing.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was hilarious, although I'm still trying to figure out if all that dialogue during the hostage situation (with Oprah's minge and Gary) was from some movie in particular or just generic hostage banter.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:44 (twenty years ago)

McFarlane responds to the South Park criticism in front of (Spoiler Alert) an audience of students:

The “South Park” controversy, which came up numerous times during the talk and question-and-answer session, stems from two episodes that aired earlier this month, which lampooned “Family Guy” and included a scene where its writers are depicted as manatees.

ntroducing MacFarlane, Director of the ASSU Speakers Bureau Adam Kahn, a graduate student in communication, expressed gratitude for the fortunate timing of the event.

“Four days ago our speaker was accused of being a manatee,” he said. “After dinner, I can assure you that he’s not a manatee.”

MacFarlane took his show’s criticism with the candor of a fellow satirist.

“They shit on everybody like we do,” he said, adding that to cry foul would be “hypocritical.”

http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=20075&repository=0001_article

These cartoons get embarrassing when you detect a sense of pretension from them. Especially F.G. though as (as someone else mentioned on a blog posted here recently) it's humor, while potentially hilarious, is no more sophisticated or funny than that of a typical YTMND.

The absurd + "pseudo-offensiveness" + 80s pop culture = WIN and GOLD. And, as if this needed to be mentioned, having a cult college audience in America in no way correlates you with the "thinking crowd." That implication needs to stop.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 20 April 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

"gary" :-)

stockholm cindy: comedy vigilante (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 April 2006 03:23 (twenty years ago)

I was watching the Towelie episode, minding my own business, and then Oprah's hoo-ha started talking, and Oprah's hoo-ha was a british guy for some reason, and I just lost it. Lost it I tells ya.

Not quite as nuanced as Cartoon Wars, but not without its charm.

Ash (ashbyman), Friday, 21 April 2006 04:39 (twenty years ago)

There was something almost brilliant about that. Mostly it's just not quite where I would have expected them to go with it. Were the minge and Gary voiced by anyone in particular?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 21 April 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

i'm just pleased that SP have started adding cockney slang to their already admirable comedy repertoire.

stockholm cindy: comedy vigilante (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 April 2006 06:01 (twenty years ago)

Eventually they will merge with The Mighty Boosh, and the resultant comedy-wave will scour the Earth of life.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 April 2006 07:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm a huge fan of South Park and I've seen every single episode multiple times, but the one tonight was the first that I couldn't even finish. Truly horrible.

Yeah, the Towelie/Oprah one sounded like it could be a good one, but it was painfully unfunny. Those guys are losing it.

Dell (Dell), Friday, 21 April 2006 10:34 (twenty years ago)

I was mostly horrified but it was the good kind of horrified.

Dan ("Mingey... They Got Me, Mingey...") Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Poor old Gary.

The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

OMG I just looked up "Gary" and that episode is magically a million times funnier to me.

Dan (Hahahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

That episode was awful, but it was so awful that it's required viewing so you can appreciate how much of a train wreck it is. Compare this to the "Bloody Mary" episode from the end of last season, which was so bad I never want to think about it ever again.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, this episode seemed like an exercise in deliberate, focused awfulness, which of course made it hilarious to me.

Dan (Hahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

And always remember...

"It's PRINNNNCESS!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

What is the secret behind "Gary", Dan?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Gary is Cockney Rhyming Slang for your Arse (Gary Glitter - Shitter).

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Excelsior!

Also, all the Cartman parts were way good.

They've almost redeemed themselves with this one, in my book...though I guess the "season" is over now? After a lousy six frickin episodes?!

Dell (Dell), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I mean, it seems like they were only just advertising the new season, and now they are suddenly advertising the marathon recapping of it. And six episodes=it was really only just over a month's worth of shows. Considering that, by their own admission they are capable of churning them out in a few days, it seems kinda lousy that we are granted a meager half-dozen. An even ten at least would lessen my griping.

They must have a fat contract...which is fine by me...though I hope they take advantage of the leisure time to do more films in the vein of Team America.

Dell (Dell), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)


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