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― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link
The mad thing is believing this anything about anything other than Brand trying to deflect attention and court religious right sympathy (and funds) after that article the Times published about him. The worse thing is imagining that fundamentalists are the only true believers of any religion, as though the lunatic holdouts who don’t believe in Vatican 2 were closer to the word of God than the rest of us. Church traumatised generations of parents for literal centuries by telling them their babies were going to hell, before they changed course on that belief and now something that my parents were taught as fact in school was something I learned as a relic of the backward past. It is fucking nonsense to be a fundamentalist. It’s fucking absurd to believe in the sincere fanaticism of someone who is a bone-deep cynic.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 24 May 2024 14:38 (four days ago) link
I wonder if Andrew Tate's conversion to Islam is entirely sincere too?
― Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2024 14:52 (four days ago) link
We could leave arguments about ad hom out of the discussion altogether, I still think debating bad arguments simply lends them undeserved power, debate has been a poison word for a long time now
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 15:54 (four days ago) link
you can't just dismiss Toby Young's thought provoking pitch for progressive eugenics, you've got to debate him throw the cunt out of the nearest top storey window after beating him senseless with a lump hammer!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 24 May 2024 16:07 (four days ago) link
debate has been a poison word for a long time now
Debate is too strong a word, and I think here we're talking about interactions and conversations we might have, either in person or online, not public figures as such which is more unlikely (though not impossible I suppose)
I think we're increasingly seeing the writing off of non public figures as being bad faith, which is where I think the mistake is, mostly, as though nothing can be done, everything is a fait accompli. The good arguments don't argue for themselves, they need transmitters and advocates the same as any other arguments. If we collectively lose the ability to do this, I think thats a net negative
― anvil, Friday, 24 May 2024 16:27 (four days ago) link
Once again, the people stanning for eugenics being exactly the sort of derp who’d fall foul of their own bullshit standards.
― steely flan (suzy), Friday, 24 May 2024 16:50 (four days ago) link
The students keeping silent as someone like Braverman goes around asking about Hamas have it right.
No conversations with vermin, let them rot.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 16:59 (four days ago) link
Otm
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:36 (four days ago) link
Talking to friends and acquaintances is different, I agree with you there anvil, but I don't "debate" my friends no matter how shitty their thoughts might be. I'll say what I believe if asked, I'm not in the conversion business
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:41 (four days ago) link
the actual relevant situation here is that your friend/relative is sharing approvingly an article by a British Right-Wing Pundit
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:47 (four days ago) link
roll your eyes, tell them to get tae fuck, talk about something else. avoid interaction if the habit gets unbearable
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 18:13 (four days ago) link
From that video I'd say the lessons the younger crowd are learning is to simply cut contact with friends and family who turn into bigots.
My kind of people.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 19:27 (four days ago) link
I admire anybody who's able to do that, fuck engaging with a nazi
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:58 (four days ago) link
Yup, its rough
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 22:08 (four days ago) link
Love this “actually the right are the REAL progressives” line being pushed everywhere
Just say you're voting tory pic.twitter.com/HwJPdFukRk— Generic English Teacher (@TabitaSurge) May 26, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 26 May 2024 12:57 (two days ago) link
tragic how these lifelong leftists have reluctantly been forced to side with fascists to protect their hatred-based rights
― i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 May 2024 14:09 (two days ago) link