See also: most Fulci, which makes no fucking sense.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
Possession and Inland Empire and The Tenant.
excellent examples! was thinking of IE myself, but failed to mention it. dumb of me not to have considered the other two, as they were both on my ballot.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
xp really? I got the sense with Alice Sweet Alice that SPOILERS there's a hint - after the reveal of the murderer's identity - that Alice was the one somehow orchestrating it all
― Chris S, Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:01 PM (1 minute ago)
always read alice as SPOILERS just an emotionally disturbed girl getting a bad rap, but there's obv a lot of intentional misdirection on the movie's part to implicate her. final frame is ominous but imo more about the poisoning of her mind by the cruelty of those around her rather than any supernatural force at work.
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
really loved that movie as a kid but it didn't hold up very well when I watched it again sometime in the 00s
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
speaking about the shining ... do we think that that one is a lock for Top 10 or not?!? i know that that film has some pretty vocal haters around here.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
oh hell yeah, figure it for #1 myself
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
^ oops, shut up, you
I bet, haters or no, it'll place high. But I really hope it's not #1.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
This "unexplained and unexplainable malignant force unabatedly fucking up the lives of the protagonists" is at least part of what I love about films like Possession and Inland Empire and The Tenant. Yes, in each of those instances, there is some discrete rationale alluded to, but those rationales are vague and illogical and it's never made clear whether those films aren't just about the protagonists losing their minds.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:07 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah I love this kind of approach. kind of like Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum
re: Alice Sweet Alice, yeah I considered that reading... what made me go with mine was Alice and the killer's penchant for wearing the same costume around and the killer happening to take out everyone that Alice had a grudge against (and then there was Alice's collecting all those trinkets related to the events as well). it's very subtle, kind of left open, which is what I like about it. the possibility is there, but you can't be certain of it
― Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
shining will be top five for sure
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
no offense dudes but duh
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
50-plus ballots = no amount of challoping, strategic voting, and batshit insanity will keep all the expected movies from placing high
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
I'm comfortable predicting a top ten showing for The Shining, but these results could be all kinds of wacked out. The top five is totally up in the air at this point, from where I'm standing.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
it didn't even occur to me to vote for the Shining tbh
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:51 (fourteen years ago)
my top ten is like zzzz kanon klassics plus two 21st-century outliers
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:52 (fourteen years ago)
i tried very hard not to vote for the shining (for strategic reasons, mostly - i figured it was a lock no matter what i did), but in the end it felt too much like fronting to leave it off my list.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:55 (fourteen years ago)
same goes for alien and the thing
can anyone suggest good examples of movies that work like this? would love to see an entity/poltergeist/paranormal activity/insidious-type movie where the scientific and spiritual "experts" are completely useless.― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:30 PM (1 hour ago)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:30 PM (1 hour ago)
well there is the last exorcism SPOILER its a horrible pile of shit
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
kinda feel like every movie about satan should end with our heroes succeeding and then satan going "oh lol wait i'm satan" and destroying them all
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
The Shining totally mentally scarred me as a young'un, dunno why it didn't occur to me to vote for it. I'm sure it'll do fine, regardless.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
i'm sure i've told this story before, but after the first time me and my sister watched the shining (ages 10 and 8, respectively), i wrote red rum with my mom's lipstick on the bathroom door so she'd see it in the mirror when she came out
my mother was not pleased
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
actually i think she secretly kinda was but then we're a sick family
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:47 PM (13 minutes ago)
if you look at the nom list, it's really not that mystical, a couple of them will be the ones that place in every ilx poll whether you want them to or not
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
Seriously. There's way too much "winning" in those types of movies.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
rosemary's baby
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
The Omen
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:07 (fourteen years ago)
SPOILERS: Satan becomes president iirc
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
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Yeah, I mean...The Exorcist will probably show up in the top ten, but it could just as easily show up at 10 as it could at 1. And a third of the top ten could be total outliers. I mean, my top five has some popular choices and some stuff I think is kinda left-field that could show up around 50 or, if there's enough support, could wind up in the top 10. Who knows at this point?
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
besides any religious/squeamish objections to horror films, i think that another reason why my parents didn't let us watch horror movies was b/c they thought we'd pull stunts like writing REDRUM with lipstick or worse. and that fear was credible b/c when i was 4 i went through a phase where i defaced paintings and photos around the house and scribbled out entire pages in books.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
the beyond
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
I'd like to see a spoiler-free list of horror movies with nihilistic endings.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
ed i hate to break it to you but in rosemary's baby 2 she bludgeons the baby to death with a copy of http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MQONc0LFdyk/T1hzmV2wnOI/AAAAAAAAAKU/4OIg0qf9T_A/s1600/book_spock.jpg
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
Rosemary's Baby 3: Rosemary's Baby's Baby is really boring. I mean, cool twist and everything, but it was just a nice baby.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
I'd like to see a spoiler-free list of horror movies with nihilistic endings.― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:10 PM (1 minute ago)
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:10 PM (1 minute ago)
i would give you this but we have been asked to keep our ballots secret until the results are all posted
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:12 (fourteen years ago)
well, considering that satan's great monster-power lies in his ability to convince people to go ahead and do things they already wanted to do anyway, i'm not surprised that he's so easily defeated. satan vs. hulk, for instance....
satan: "now hulk, isn't there someone here you feel like smashing?"hulk: "HULK SMASH!"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
almost every horror movie has a nihilistic ending if you assume the survivors will ne emotionally fubar forever
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
haha and even being strict about that nihilism that describes 36/50 from my ballot
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
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I always imagine really efficacious group therapy sessions taking place after horror movies.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:16 (fourteen years ago)
my favorite horror movies are those in which evil triumphs and it turns out that it's not such a bad thing after all
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:17 (fourteen years ago)
^ these are very rare
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:18 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, it looks like about 1/3 of the films on my ballot end unambiguously nihilistically.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
Can you name some of those, contenderizer? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
generally if a horror movie makes me feel good at any point about anything i probably dont like it
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
Wicker Man
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
unless you've been rooting for the douchebag protagonist the whole film
Through the Looking Glass, xp, but I think that ending's dark in a way no sane person can get behind SPOILERS - a woman giving into demonic influence as symbol as her embracing cycle of sexual abuse (70s porn and midnight movies really go places that still blow my mind sometimes)
― Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
as satisfying as it is to fantasize about frying a sexually-repressed busybody who's hellbent on imposing his oppressive beliefs on folks (esp given the destruction wreaked by Sergeant Howie's American counterparts), IRL it is quite horrifying -- even especially when the deed is perpetrated by neo-pagans.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
that's no way to talk about dr. morbius, tad.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
IRL...?
the movie is ridiculous. the ending is the punchline to a very funny joke.
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:34 (fourteen years ago)
stuart gordon's dagon is my go2 example, but daughters of darkness is somewhat similar. hadn't considered wicker man, which sort of fits, cuz i'd been thinking about cases where good ultimately embraces and is transformed by evil.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:35 (fourteen years ago)