Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

madrid / del bosque

valencia / sanchez flores

liverpool / rafa

the sycophantic coverage of blackburn makes out that sacking fat cunt was the problem, rather than the decision to appoint kean

Newcastle/Hughton makes a nonsense of this line of this train of thought

too many words in there

Ha, yeah. I was all "WTF" about that. Where do Newcastle think they should be? Deluded fools etc. Oops.

I mean Pardew for G_d's sake.

idk i think hughton would have done alright with cabaye ba ben arfa cisse

pardew is not a great manager

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkya0xtOVsQ

Pardew doing well doesn't mean it was right to sack Hughton, it just worked out well.

if u insist pardew is amazing then remember they could have got him off the golf course the previous summer, not like he was scaring off ardent suitors with a five iron

that reflects on the clubs not pardew imo

it reflects on pardew that he wasnt even being sired by champo sides when he had the fortune to be picked up by nukey just before derek llambias turned into midas

Alan Shearer is "flattered" to be linked to the job by his agent.

chrissy hughts has the permanent air of the caretaker, solid reliable knuckling down but no aspirational air to carry it off or blag that he knows how to solve it when things go wrong

pards is a pillock but by some flukey nukey serendipity the positive face of progress and better man for the job

bullshit theory ahoy but i think there's also perhaps a certain something - a je ne sais quoi, to quote the man - pards has in his character (and that glenn hoddle shares) which the french generally accept and respond to at face value but in britain gets you called a wanker right quick

aggressive yet gormless arrogance

"o'neill would probably be delighted with the squad he'd already have"

I thought that very thing earlier. And if Downing's crosses somehow start finding forwards who somehow narrow their aiming by 4 inches O'Neill would once again look like the genius man manager he was 12 games into his Sunderland reign.

I know it sounds stupid when you look at the table but Liverpool really aren't far away from being as good as Spurs. We know Downing has previous for actually assisting and scoring, Suarez and to a lesser extent Bellamy are excellent forwards, Carroll shouldn't be too difficult to groom into the flat track bully he should be. A couple of MON-style Bigs in there somewhere and you're set.

Oh, and sell Adam to Utd for his £10m corners.

yeah dont see that at all

defence is abt the same but spurs midfield options are way better

carroll is just never not going to be a wasteman

even disregarding his technical shittiness, he is really slow over ten yards

he isn't even that well built for a sub-heskey

ah fuck it im going to have to make a thread abt this

and i thought the thread title was poignant when 8th was confirmed

lfc have a doughtier spine than spurs, for all our width

villas-boas heavily linked now. go for it fsg, imo.

Intermediaries acting for the club have spoken with Andre Villas-Boas, but he is unlikely to get the job.

says bbc

was warming to the idea of avb myself, his truculence would obv be better appreciated there for a start

altho cheeky fiver on jogi low my instinct keeps telling me

he's gotta be one of the best likely candidates, but he's probably in vulnerable headspace right now i'm not sure that his therapist would be looking at the paranoiac goldfish bowl that is the lfc job and nodding happily.

oh right... wonder is that from the club side. i didn't bother looking at beeb cos their breaking news is so crap but times and guardian seemed to suggest he was close.

xpost delighted to read they want someone with genuine league winning experience. martinez etc would just be more of the same.

na i agree he's a good candidate, would be glad to see him get it

yeah but it'd be his paranoiac goldfish bowl this time is the thing

i don't reckon avb is the sort of guy to have taken a mental kicking from chelsea. it's chelsea. it hasn't worked out for mostly anyone.

bbc report v different to other papers though, says martinez has a chance. fucking hope not.

avb is on planet avb 24/7, of course not

yeah don't really trust the beeb either but a bold claim's a bold claim

interesting they say 30m is the new manager's budget. how the fuck did they shoot their load so badly on dalglish/comolli if it was going to leave them half skint from then on?

i read something somewhere that basically said that if you take the money recouped from player sales and money saved on wages into account then their net spend is less than a million. no idea how accurate that is.

30m isn't a small budget, assuming he can keep what he makes from selling uh kjyt or spearing

feeling better about this now. impression i get is that fsg want someone with a longterm vision who will truly buy into the academy/promote from within thing. that's what i hope anyway. if we're serious about ever challenging for the title again (not giving up hope just yet) and getting into the champions league and staying there then we have to be clever about how we go about it. i'm not an expert on the bundesliga but i believe dortmund did something similar?

anyway, sad that it ended like this for kenny, but perhaps it's for for the best. sounds cheesy but he really did unite the fans - waking up and finding out he'd come back was just magic. he won us a trophy and got us playing some lovely football, filled us all with real optimism. love ya kenny.

it seems that rafa, martinez and avb are not on the shortlist btw.

if your impression and your info on the shortlist are true that doesnt really leave many that fit the criteria

guardiola, rodgers, klopp, favre, de boer?

favre the realistic standout i guess from what i've heard but still a huge leap of faith

not sure john henry is ready to get sexted

rangnick too if he's not still knackered

this is from after hodgson left for whatever its worth:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9337980.stmi

European scout Tor-Kristian Karlsen said on his Twitter feed that Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp had been approached about the Liverpool job and that Rangnick was also a candidate.

cant help hearing ralf rangnick to the tune of rowche rumble

i could see henry even getting one of these cunts

not klopp tho

I've been meaning to ask for a while and now's as good a time as any - what on earth led Arsenal to go for Wenger in 1996? I know he'd done well at Monaco, but that was years previously.

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:16 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dein was a personal friend of wenger

also he hadnt exactly gone to pasture, he went to japan for the cash

― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:18 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe better qn would be why wenger went to the kicknrush provincial wasteland that was mid90s epl

― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when pundits trot out the "look at fergie, look at wenger, clubs need stability and to stick with their manager" spiel I always think of arsenal deciding to stick with rioch instead of going for wenger.

― pandemic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:28 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When something was obviously going wrong in France, Wenger was scouted by a ton of clubs - he nearly ended up at Spurs in 1994! But they went for Gerry Francis instead. David Dein also started being interested at the time but going through the Graham bung thing, didn't want to upset fans by going all foreign (lol) while Wenger wanted a holiday from European football after the Monaco*. They continued talking while Arsene went to Japan and Wenger knew his seat was just being warmed because Dein bought players for him - Rioch may have been there when it happened but Vieira and the first few French players were Wenger recommendations (he may have even tipped Dein off that Bergkamp was available, reports conflict.) It was a decision made two years before he came, basically. And he didn't come just two the dour football of before, but an underperforming team involving Bergkamp, Platt, Vieira and was immediately told he could sell off trouble-makers like Merson to fund Overmars/Petit etc.

*as well as the marseille match fixing scam, there were incidents like http://arsespeak.com/2011/02/21/can-wenger-win-champions-league-arsenal-understanding-arsene-europe-lens-as-monaco-vs-werder-bremen-cup-winners%E2%80%99-cup-final-1992/

feeling better about this now. impression i get is that fsg want someone with a longterm vision who will truly buy into the academy/promote from within thing. that's what i hope anyway. if we're serious about ever challenging for the title again (not giving up hope just yet) and getting into the champions league and staying there then we have to be clever about how we go about it. i'm not an expert on the bundesliga but i believe dortmund did something similar?

anyway, sad that it ended like this for kenny, but perhaps it's for for the best. sounds cheesy but he really did unite the fans - waking up and finding out he'd come back was just magic. he won us a trophy and got us playing some lovely football, filled us all with real optimism. love ya kenny.

― Chris, Thursday, 17 May 2012 01:04 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dortmund did do something similar. They could do it with no expectations for success hanging over their neck (having recently survived a bankruptcy scare, it was also their only option to start from the youth team) and not much in terms of league competition. Only an underperforming Bayern team. As a supporter of a team trying to do this in England, arguably five years ahead of Liverpool in terms of acting this way, I can say it will be absurdly hard work for this to happen at Liverpool. First, Arsenal fans aren't as passionate or hot-headed as the Kop. Mistakes - pretty big ones too - will be made, no matter how good the manager is, and the Kop will react. Secondly, you don't have Messi's to overcompensate for your Cuenca's. Third, it is just as likely that the team go through Boro's path as Dortmund's if that youth team is more Spearings and El Zhars. Just one Adam Johnson in the pack won't help an academy of Championship players.

I'm a little encouraged by the noises about what they're looking for - league-winning experience, plus readiness to carry out a project that has to be measured in many years - though it doesn't exactly throw out names. Klopp and Deschamps fit that; Villas Boas and de Boer probably don't.

Anyone else out there? Rijkaard's star has faded, Guardiola and Mourinho are obvious noes, Capello and Ancelotti are too old, the usual Dutch suspects like van Gaal and Advocaat too uninspiring.

I wonder if Deschamps is who they have in mind? He's bloody-minded enough certainly; but his teams lack a bit of stardust is my impression, and no idea how he is on youth development.

Ancelotti's younger than I thought (52) but probably not young enough. He carries himself with that kind of authority, it fools you. Committed to another long project anyway.

I also forget that Chelsea are supposedly looking in exactly the same market. I'd like to think Liverpool's the more attractive option for these guys, but that may not be so.

Chelsea > Liverpool. At least they has a talented young group to build around.

They've zero chance of getting Klopp imo. He wants a shot at the CL and a shot at a dynasty with this Dortmund team.

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