Yeah, Burstyn's great in The Exorcist--I love the scene where she curses out all the shrinks.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
HOLY CRAP I NEED TO SEE PHANTOM DER NACHT
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
me too! I even own the dvd but haven't gotten around to watching it. what is my problem?!
― original bgm, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
probably you're an alchoholic and a wife-beater
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
like karloff, kinski gets both the savagery and the pathos of the beast
love how sudden + intense the physical intimidation is in this scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3upuBWl2Xq4#t=245s
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
sutherland and christie - don't look nowangela bettis - mayanthony perkins - psycholaura dern - inland empirevon sydow and ullmann - hour of the wolfcatherine deneuve - repulsion
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
Was just talking with my brothers about Society today. Kind of wish I'd voted for it, in a way. It's one of those films where the beginning just does not get you interested, but by the end it is so horrific, and that change of pace is superb. (I find Spoorloos a bit like this in that the bulk of it is very prosaic, but the end, oh god the end. More artistic/less teen movie than Society, though, obviously.)
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
and karloff! there's just such beauty to what he's doing here w/ stillness and quiet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uDkpJPNhrF4#t=1912s
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
The kid who plays the psycho in Jack Ketchum's The Lost. That movie would be nothing without his performance.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
angela bettis is pretty much great in anything she does actually.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed!! She's a real fan favorite.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
One big motif I realised is missing from my ballot: the ageing melodramatic actress as a horror unto herself. Need to investigate that trope more, I think.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
implied in daughters of darkness, perhaps, but that's loving tribute as much as monstrification, so she's still a beautiful horror. certainly not baby jane material.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
are we talking sunset blvd here or
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Sunset Boulevard is more on the thriller side of the spectrum, but one of the most high profile; Whatever Happened to Baby Jane is probably the epitome of that trope on the horror end.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
But, as I say, I don't know that many of the films - I have friends who talk about a lot more that fit in to this schematic, but I remain mostly in the dark.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-biddy
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
Half amused, half appalled at 'psycho-biddy' and 'hagsploitation'. I like 'Grande Dame Guignol' as a name, though.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
the wiki examples are pretty broad, like, in no way is trog a psychobiddy film
however I wouldn't argue with anyone who voted for mommie dearest in this poll
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
I have seen zero films with angela bettis in them. If I were to rectify that, what would I watch? Can't say any of them are calling out to me.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
hagspoitation is a very gross term.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
MAY you should watch May.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
May is prob the best starting point, but if you want something a little more hardcore and unpleasant theres always The Woman
xpost
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks, guys. This has been a very informative thread.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
may, absolutely
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
La Lechera and her lurker gave me this book and it is wonderful and I recommend it: http://www.amazon.com/Grande-Dame-Guignol-Cinema-History/dp/0786445696/ref=tmm_pap_title_0
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
sunset boulevard may not be a horror film, but norma desmond certainly fits the criteria for the sort of character you're talking about. a lot of movies do this implicitly by casting an iconic older actress in a monstrous role (joan crawford in both strait-jacket and berserk), but few do it explicitly, making the character an actress herself.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
good lord i always forget that she was carrie in the carrie remake. almost makes me want to watch it, but not quite
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
Not to get all into this, but I have no problem with hagsploitation -- hag horror is my favorite term for this sort of movie because anyone who enjoys these movies isn't like "yuk she's a hag" -- the hag is the draw, the hero. When else do women in their 50s get to be the hero?!
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
watch may!
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
long live the crone, in other words
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
I heard not-bad things about the carrie remake, I imagine these were related bettis' involvement
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
wish somebody would invent cronecore
That book is going straight into my wishlist. Definitely have mixed feelings about the use of 'hag', I think it depends on who's using it: in some ways it seems like a reclamation of the term - as LL says, the hag is the hero of the film...
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
xpost You mean cronerock, surely?
What do you guys think about May, though?
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
totally sucks
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
Thought so. Carrie remake it is.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
bettis was great, movie itself was only OK.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it's not that great of a movie, and the boyfriend character is inane, but it's entertaining and Bettis is super weird and memorable in it.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Sunset Boulevard is more on the thriller side of the spectrum
smh
It's a vampire comedy
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ cronerock
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
anna faris also great in may
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
pre hollywood makeover too
― game of crones (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, I can totally get with that interpretation.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
CARRIE remake is dire. Nearly as bad as the late '90s teensploitation sequel.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
oh, shirt. guess i missed this. need to check in more regularly. ):
― silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
that was the sound of eric's head hitting the table
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not about to plead for an extension. i snoozed, i loosed.
― silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link