I'm both eager and trepidatious
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
did you see the graduation address he gave? he called all the students dumb. the parents loved it. the parents love that guy.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpKC50uFVQ0
This one, going for The Social Network II angle (or the Girls demo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFZbrwmndA
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Peter-Finch-in-Network.jpg
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
This show would seem so much more relevant if I or anyone I knew actually watched TV news, ever.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Also much like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5E9RV9TyEo
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
"By 1980, every show on television was about a divorced Jew who lives in New York City and goes on a blind date with Tom Selleck."
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
This show is really getting savaged, huh?
I thought this was a good piece about Sorkin's oeuvre:http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2012/06/the_complete_works_of_aaron_sorkin_from_the_west_wing_to_the_social_network_to_the_newsroom_.single.html
― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Friday, 22 June 2012 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, good article (although i disagree about the value of some shows/movies vs. others)
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
I think THR liked it, but I just read the first little blurb. I don't think Seitz has reviewed it yet, but he was tweeting that it was corny a few weeks ago but he seemed to be enjoying it.
Pretty sure it's gonna be shit though.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
Mostly thinking of Emily Nussbaum's New Yorker review, though I've seen a few other pans as well.
― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
its metacritic rating is mad yellow
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
such a huge disconnect for me between how much i expect from sorkin (esp w/ evidence like few good men, social network, west wing, sports night) and what he's been delivering on tv these days (studio 60 + now this). i don't think he's being lazy -- maybe he needs a few good editors?
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
the Slate piece touches on it but i definitely think he needs collaborators -- his recent screenplays that are adapted from real life source material and directed by people he doesn't typically collaborate with >>>>>>>>>> his recent TV stuff where he has full freedom to rehash West Wing and Sports Night to diminishing returns
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
think it's a potent combination of his own ego (and yes, lack of editors/filters) and the fact that his best TV work was at the cusp of the Sopranos/Wire/Deadwood/MadMen/Breaking Bad era that made us all expect a lot more. West Wing just had to be better than...ER.
Social Network was good because of Fincher working against the screenplay (sort of what that Slate article said, I think).
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/tv/blogs/the-stream/2012/06/how-to-write-a-monologue-like-aaron-sorkin.html
― Odd Spice (Eazy), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
i actually like his speeches and enjoy the way he breaks down what he does there, but god his faux-Network speeches are getting so "you could kick a ball in the street"
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
MSZ digs its "Capra-corn"
http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/tv-review-the-newsroom-corny-but-inspiring.html
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
urgh ffs take away this guys copy of network
― Smothered, Covered and Chunked!!! (a hoy hoy), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
wouldn't do any good. he's memorized it like Fahrenheit 451.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
this show looks like sixteen piles of crap
― akm, Friday, 22 June 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
I really don't like the way it uses actual events/figures because it dates the show right away, and makes it even more of a facepalm than when it's blindingly obvious what the fictional events/figures are like they did in Sports Night and West Wing.
he's veering towards just straight-up Oliver Stone steez, ie being smashed over the head with a mallet while someone shouts DO U SEE every 5 minutes... if he's not there already.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
tbh i think he's always been like that, but Josh Lyman had some lolzy lines so it was cool.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah maybe it's the players that made his material awesome
Krause and Charles <3
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
The players didn't make the meterial distinct, though--Sorkin did that.
― Odd Spice (Eazy), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
yeah actors with comedy chops tend to be his salvation, and it seems like Newsroom wasn't cast with that in mind (like Jeff Daniels obviously has those chops but won't necessarily put them to much use)
xpost
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
so wow, these reviews are so bad i don't even think i'm going to watch ithttp://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/51842/the-newsroom-aaron-sorkins-toxic-mess
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
think I'm just gonna rewatch the Ken Finkleman series on Youtube instead
― Simon H., Friday, 22 June 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
They should really put it up free, like they did with the Girls pilot, given these reviews.
― Odd Spice (Eazy), Friday, 22 June 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
Not that it simply isn't lousy, but i think there's an instinct among critics who got caught with their pants down lanticipating Studio 60 not to get embarrassed again.
― Odd Spice (Eazy), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Studio 60's pilot circulated for months and months ahead of airing, on Netflix and other places. and they (ok, we) all had pretty high hopes for it based on that episode.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Lolling at the trailer of Pullman throwing a stapler(?) at the camera. He gets into it like De Niro playing Russian roulette in the Deer Hunter.
― calstars, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Whenever I think I might want to watch this, i'm just going to rewatch Sports Night instead
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
that is what i do whenever i get a sorkin-y urge tbh. i like social network, though.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
me too!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
west wing, sportsnight is about it. social network is good but nothing like as rewatchable as WW and SN
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, Olivia Munn is in this? Sold.
― calstars, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
west wing has some really good stuff, some really cringey stuff, some downright offensive stuff. sports night can be cringey but it just goes down easier than the west wing.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
also dan rydell
yeah Sports Night is comfort food to me, i've run through the whole series on DVD maybe half a dozen times now
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
Olivia Munn makes me even less interested.
― Mordy, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
iirc josh charles and aaron sorkin had "creative differences" on the set of sports night and in retrospect i want to say that josh charles was one of the best things that ever happened to sorkin.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
that's interesting, i haven't really read much of anything about the making of Sports Night since people are so much less likely to write about that than Sorkin's other stuff
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah WW is not perfect, but I can't help it. the first few seasons are pretty good. Josh Lyman, Sam Seaborn, Will Bailey, Toby. I want Josh Charles to have a sports show, even now
I follow him on twitter, he talks about the Bmore Raves ALL the time
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
i know; it's so annoying. josh charles + felicity huffman + josh molina= underrecognized sorkin golden age. plus it was the first time i saw most sorkiny conceits so they seemed fresh.
i don't really know anything about the substance of those creative differences fwiw. in general i sympathize with writers who get notes/revision suggestions from actors, but if that's why sorkin got annoyed with charles, i don't know, maybe he should have listened.
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
sarah and i have tried to start sports night twice, have yet to actually finish watching the pilot - the whole thing is so artificial and '90s it's unbearable
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the pilot is much worse than the rest of the show fwiw
― horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
i would just skip it if i were you tbh
i like artificial though
yeah pilot is not good; it takes a couple of episodes for them to lose the laugh track and weird sitcom-y conceits, but if you can ride that out it's worth it.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
i'm still kinda confused what people were ever so mad at her about.
― some dude, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link
it's about ethics in fictional journalism
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Haven't read thread but this is good at an ally mcbeal level and i am in love with mac
― your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
how far in are you
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link
mostly I just need to know if you've gotten to the bin laden scene
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
Ive been busy so just catching decent comedy snippets and showy dialogue and devastating silhouettes of macs blouse/skirt game but "we" have in fact blitzed through to the season 2 finale since last friday
― your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
I recall a stretch in the second season that sort of threatened to be OK, and then they got to the college rape storyline and it was all downhill sharply from there
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:45 (three years ago) link
the 'buckle up sweetie, here's why America used to be good and now sucks' monologue should have gotten this shit cancelled after the first episode
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:54 (three years ago) link
Absolutely the worst thing to ever air on HBO, including Arli$$.
As they say, "One man's Mede is another man's Persian."
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
oh man, this was actually p bad huh. the whole season is just gonna be emily mortimer's beseeching face & endless cycles of affirmation & reaffirmation & pledging & repledging of commitment to a non-specific noble idea.
schlump
Well make up yr mind which is it
― your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
Finished this, hobbes otm with summary rly
If you tried to take it as seriously as it wanted, more fool you id say.
The hamfisted smug arguments on all sides, well again if you choose to see these as things worth railing against sure youd get vexed but this was a zingy sexy sitcom about how much jeff daniels could try to get sorkin away with and i repeat macs blouse/skirt/winsome trinity is unbeaten
― flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 01:26 (three years ago) link
sorkin is lame is how i break it down to an extent
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link