Don enters the elevator, Ginsberg was *hiding behind a plant* or something so he could corner Don in the elevator and yell at him, Don leaves to go home, Ginsberg goes back upstairs to eat chow mein and keep giving Peggy shit
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Don's "I don't think about you at all" was hilarious, not least because it's a total lie
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
I like how we've spent several episodes debating if Ginsberg was going to be seen as competition/foil for Peggy, when it's ending up Don.
I also like, in reference to all discussions about just how good they are and how much a genius Don is, that when he started with the devil talk, I thought the point was that it was terrible. It was clear the next day that while it wasn't as good as Ginsbergs, everybody thought it was pretty good.
― dan selzer, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
saw it as the rest of creative was humoring him, b/c he's the boss, it's a bit of a chickenfeed account, it was a decent enough concept, and Don hadn't done much on his own in a while. It didn't seem great, no.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the bit where he said (when trying to make it seem like he was freestyling) that "obviously" everyone's minds turn to a snowball's chance in Hell. When... no, the first thing in my mind was a person being hit by a snowball 0_0
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
agree w/silby. Ginsberg's pitch seemed more effortless, particularly the thing about the pig
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
Don had definitely honed his concept a little bit between the time when he was recording ideas on the dictaphone and when he pitched it to the team
― dmr, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
his new line was funnier ("this ... could change everything")
on a side note they finally did the sensible thing and started running The Pitch right after Mad Men (ad pitching competition reality show) instead of a rerun of the Killing
I watched it, it was ok. It was just good enough that I will probably keep the channel on AMC and watch it.
― dmr, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
i'm just (vaguely, mildly, not really) annoyed that i had to turn away from the second hour of the food network star premiere.
― get wolves (get bent), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Of all the shitty TV that I watch, Food Network Star is the one I feel most guilty about, because it's exceptionally shitty. But that's a conversation for another thread. Or better yet, for never.
― dan selzer, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
That scene of Don brainstorming was pretty LOL. I kept thinking "Oh, these are horrible ideas, any minute now he's going to kill his machine with whiskey in a writer's block frenzy.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Food Network Star is responsible for Guy Fieri, so I think it should be killed with fire.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
Funny if you think about it - Don & Megan so inspiring with Cool Whip, Betty solo depressing with Reddi Whip.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
a) I think he was a plantb) he's Orson Welles compared to pretty much every other contestant who's been on that showc) I am sorry for cheapening a Med Men thread with food network star talk.
― dan selzer, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
did Pete and Ken know that Don's pitch was Don's when they were suggesting it was pretty good (but less good than Ginsberg's)?
(btw, who were the ad people ['Peter, Paul and Mary'] who Pete was complaining about being highlighted over SCDP?)
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
re several comments upthread: i straight-up hate this show's treatment of betty. it's the one thing about mad men that really sticks in my craw. reminds me of the weird, nasty and at least borderline misogynist contempt displayed for elizabeth perkins' celia on weeds. somebody working out ex-wife and/or bad mommy issues...
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
Betty became a sympathetic character a while back, but she still acts upon her worst impulses. That doesn't make her a cartoon villain. That makes her human.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
also ads for next week indicate quite a bit of Lane. xposts
Thanks! I get the show on itunes, so I don't really get to see the promos.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I was wondering this as well
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
See the link I posted above to the original article. Mary Wells, Richard Rich and Stewart Grene of Wells Rich Greene. "Our motto is, if we were modest, we'd be pefect".
― dan selzer, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if Melissa's happy now lol
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
article's behind the paywall
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0z0hzf
― dan selzer, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
gracias!
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, they had to take the ads out of the article. Also, is it just me, or does Mary Wells look a bit like Betty/January Jones?
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but other at least partially loathsome (human) characters on the show get to act on a much wider variety of impulses, and the show seems to treat at least some of their behavior with a measure of sympathy and respect. for a while now, betty's just been getting hammered.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
sure she's human but she's consistently the dumbest and most short-sighted human on offer. it's pretty conspicuously and i don't really like it either.
― goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
If Betty's character was never seen again in the series that ep would've been a damn good sendoff.
― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
she's consistently the dumbest and most short-sighted human on offer
Harry
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
Feel like we haven't seen Betty's whole arc yet but I have a hunch they are going somewhere other than "lol Betty." honestly still her character very interesting.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but harry's dumb in a "basically decent", slobbery dog sort of way. he's not made to seem like a horrible, evil toad during every second he appears onscreen. he's mostly a harmless dork, and the show treats him with a measure of compassion (he even got to boast during the last episode that he's running his department alone and that it's doing well - something we have no reason to doubt).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
harry is a dipshit but he knows how to do something!
― goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol Harry? decent? like when he was describing banging the boss's wife? perving out on teenage Stones fans? dude is a buffoon and nothing but.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Joan can do, and has done, his job
Really don't think there's anything stopping you from feeling compassion for Betty though?
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I feel pity for Betty more than anything
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
I think the real problem with Betty (the character) is that she lacks charisma other than her beauty. Makes it harder to overlook the bad things she does (which are all petty compared to the others, tbh)--that overlooking we constantly do with the other characters.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
I get the feeling the show people would be glad to see Betty go, but AMC won't let them dump the character because thwy feel January Jones is too big a name to let go.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
nah, Betty and Sally's relationship is gonna be great story fodder.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah Sally and Betty are heading for something epic.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, he's crass, a dumbly lecherous boob, but he's not out to hurt anyone. we've never seen him do anything evil. in this respect, he's much more decent-seeming than don, pete, roger or betty.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
dumb lecherous boobs are their own special brand of evil imho
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I know we've been over this, but the others all have redeeming qualities
― ryan, Monday, May 14, 2012 4:36 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think this might be due to limitations of january jones as an actress.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i tend to blame the writers, but that has the ring of truth bomb
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
i guess it's to the shows credit that we all see the characters so very differently
There were hints early on of, if not charisma, then something more compelling. I am thinking in particular of the scene with the air rifle.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
xposts
Okay, the Sally thing is worth it to keep Betty around, but otherwise Betts is getting the scorn stick harder than the others.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link