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Or Report on Inquiry intil the role o educational and cultural policy in uphaudin and bringin oot Gaelic, Scots and minority leids in Scotland (Volume 1) as they would have it.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

If that's not a dialect I don't know what is.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Just a reminder to you chaps that it's Mr.Fiendish's 30th birthday do tomorrow at Mono from 8pm.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

That's like saying that Modern English is a dialect of Anglo Saxon!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Why has ILX got so Scottish lately, anyway?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

It's where it it's at.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

What am I talking about? I need to go home.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Where is home?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

The line between a language and a dialect is pretty blurry. Where it's blurry, I think what gets called what has as much to do with politics as linguistics. But then, I don't know anything about it.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

It is blurry and think you have to leave it to the speakers, really. If they call it a separate language then it's a separate language. It helps if they have their own nation (see Norway). I read about this once. I think Kate has read more.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Well according to Wikipedia it's officially recognised as a language, even though that is controversial.

There's more linguistic, grammatical and vocabulary evidence - as well as historical - that English and Scots are different languages than, say, Swedish and Norwegian.

x-post, I am such a linguistic pedant, sigh.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

But people who have an interest in forging an ethnicity are going to call what they speak a language, because there's a bit of a value judgement in the distinction between 'language' and 'dialect'. 'Language' is more important. If they've got their own language, why shouldn't they have their own state? etc.

x-post

I can't see any real grammatical difference at all, based on the page linked to above. It's just spelling and the odd bit of vocabulary.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

"A language is a dialect that has its own navy" I once read in a Richard Rorty book, but I think he was quoting someone else.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Scots was originally the language of an independent nation: it was spoken at court, used in legal documents etc and was the language of educated people in Scotland, used by poets and dramatists like Dunbar, Henryson and Sir David Lyndsey. It would have been no truer to say that it was a dialect of the English used at the English court than it would have been to say that English was a dialect of Scots.

― frankiemachine, Friday, 29 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Yes, all that is true. But why the but? Let them!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

(The source of that quote is Yiddish linguist Max Weinreich, who said, "A shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un a flot")

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I talk a load of old shite. Is that a language or a dialect?

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Cock is a language. A load of old shite is a dialect of it.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Alba: Because language can be used to forge an ethnic identity and lead to separatism and rivalry. Of course, if you refuse to let groups speak their own language then that's the best way to make them all militant about it and want to bomb you. So, politically it's a good idea to allow people to speak however they like.

x-post: Saying that Scots is a dialect of English kind of sounds like "well English was here first and the Scots just starting speaking it all weird". Of course, I don't think that.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Because language can be used to forge an ethnic identity and lead to separatism and rivalry

Yes. Reading Tore Janson's book about language Speak, one of the things that struck me was how important this aspect is, how when nation/empire building, stamping out regional dialects/languages in a draconian way often does achieve its aim, even in the long-term. Without it, countries do fail to gel as nations. I often get all confused about where my sympathies lie when it comes to nationalism.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I need to read some books. I am going to put that one on my Amazon wishlist.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I'll lend you it!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Switzerland has gelled pretty effectively!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

There's always Switzerland.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, even better. Thanks Alba.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Swiss people do have nice hair.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Please, let's remain neutral.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I still dearly love Grant Morrison.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

How did that kill the thread? He's one of the best! Born and bred in Glasgow!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

we're all asleep in glasgow, thassall

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 29 July 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Responding to threads in your sleep is the 14th sign of ilx dependency dahlin.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

What are the 13 before that?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

1. Pressing refresh on the new answers page so frequently that sometimes it doesn't even change
2. Checking your favourite current threads before you have breakfast (me, now).
3. Cancelling shutting down your pc at the last minute just so you can have one quick look at new answers.
4. Emailing friends about ongoing threads even though you know they're reading it anyway.
5. ILX Dreams.
6. Getting annoyed when your idea of a good thread dies.
7. Bumping said tread because you can't accept no-one else is interested.
8. Bookmarking more than three boards (I have music, everything and books so I think I'm ok).
9. Thinking about threads on your way home from work, wondering how they're progressing.
10. Composing messages in your head when you're nowhere near a computer.
11. Using ilxisms in everyday conversation, to the bafflement of your friends and family.
12. Thinking of yourself/introducing yourself as your screenname.
13. KNowing the 14 signs of ilx dependency.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

2. That is me now, too! I have just got myself a small handful of nuts to keep me going.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm eating Starburst Jooster Jelly Beans, cinema leftovers. The popcorn's inedible :-((

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

2. That's me too, right now!

You forgot the one about coming in pissed and switching on your PC first before even considering the kettle/toaster.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I think I do several of those: 1,2,5,6,7,10 and 11. Oh, and I think I've probably introduced myself as my screen-name too at some point.

(when I met Ned, I introduced myself by asking him if he had a blue tie. He quickly realised it was me.)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I think Camera Obscura should probably be mentioned somewhere on this thread.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

My favourite Scottish word = oos (it means fluff)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

christ, gerry. i'd have to admit to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 11, 12 and now 13. plums.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Camera Obscura

I was just going to cite them! Even (especially?) their English member.

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 30 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Never heard of them

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 30 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

I've heard it said that behind every great Scottish band there has to be a great English woman.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 30 July 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

"smothercate"

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

I had completely forgotten my promise to bring butteries to a FAP. Possibly because we go out to eat stuff and bringing your own food wouldn't be very good form.

I love this thread.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 29 October 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

bring butteries to koshkemeer!

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 29 October 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

ailsa, mail me your address and I can possibly send you some in time. (Fowlie's service will be too expensive if you don't want meat too)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Don't worry about it, a trip to Tesco will suffice for introductory purposes. I can bring some home with me when I go up north for Christmas if need be.

Also there is the possibility that I will just eat them all myself.

I noticed upthread that I was going to tell the story of my flatmates being in the Sunday Post. They were in a band, and wanted some publicity. They therefore went to the Sunday Post with a ridiculous story of how they met their drummer - he had come round to audition for the band and had looked through the singer's tape collection and found a demo tape from a previous band of his there which, suprise, had been given to the singer by a friend of a friend and had become a big favourite of his, and he'd always wanted to meet the people responsible. And now he had, and now they're in a band together.

This story, incidentally, does not have one iota of truth to it. Yet there it was in the centre pages of the Sunday Post alongside other heartwarming tales of hillwalking dogs and marathon running lollipop ladies.

In other exciting news, you can read Francis Gay online!. There's something not quite right about the Sunday Post being on teh interweb, but I like that their website is reassuringly pish.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 30 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Also there is the possibility that I will just eat them all myself.

Tell me about it, I've eaten 6 myself since Thursday night.

I have a friend who was also involved in a fake Sunday Post centre page story. Three times. It was quite lucrative, letting Little Old Ladies laugh at the Youth Of Today.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 30 October 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I haven't thought about the Sunday Post in years and years! My grandparents used to have a subscription to it, I remember all of the goofy stories it would have.

― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Sunday, 30 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

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