you guys realize we're talking about the entire NBC thursday night line-up and not a single show on the weekend right?
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
People are going to whine about the shows being canceled either way, but fans really don't like it when shows get canceled before an ending is written (see Deadwood, My So Called Life, Freaks and Geeks, etc.).
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
yes, that is probably the logic nbc has. a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings. they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
community has been on the brink of cancellation forever? parks and rec took a several month hiatus this year? both tina fey and alec baldwin have said that they didnt want to extend their contracts? this doesnt feel like enough of a surprise to be "controversial" or "a bad pr move"
― max, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Looking at this from another angle: even if you don't see the 'cancellation' writing on the wall, I guarantee that the casts and crews of these shows are considering that very likely possibility. Even if NBC did decide to give the shows more than one season, it's likely that the creative teams will be so fragmented at that point that it won't be an option (see: fragmentation in the Community production team in the past week alone). It really might be worth it for NBC to go full-on scorched earth rather than saddle themselves with a whole night's worth of shows whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
thinking da croupier might have placed a lot of money on "six seasons and a movie." he might be in trouble.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
let me see if i can make this clearer. nbc has some cult comedies, a hit reality show or two, and a lot of shows no one cares about. they've just announced that the cult comedies will be cancelled (or really, kicked off NBC) in a year. the surprise is not that any of these shows are on the chopping block, but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE. NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings.
oh no, not meetings!
they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.
You can keep bringing this up all you want but it isn't applicable here. Leno made an announcement on his show that he was leaving, and Conan signed a contract, and the networked reneged. These sitcoms don't even have full season guarantees. Plus, live television is dangerous for the network in a way that scripted television isn't. If they don't like Community episodes they can just bury them. They couldn't do that with Conan.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE
btw this hasn't actually happened yet.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
NBC, the network that has regularly one time been bit in the ass by doing this very thing something that wasn't much like this.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
i can't tell if i'm dealing with pedantry or obtuseness. i am not saying this is the death knell for nbc, but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them. they tell their talent that they're getting the boot after an awkward grace period, and, with the exception of chuck which was grateful for what it could get, they hoot and holler that they're the best thing on nbc and threaten to go to a network that would be happy to have them. nbc freaks out and everyone's got egg on their face.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.
Dan Harmon and Mike Schur still seem like they give a shit to me.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
i wondered about the "rumor" element too, but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them.
You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative, and I am saying you're wrong. That isn't pedantry or obtuseness.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case
That isn't how it works.
NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing last in the ratings because of the consistently stupid shit that they do.
Fixed?
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative
if their goal is to wash their hands of the nerdfest they've currently got, yes.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
the politics & business of network tv is def one of the stranger things ilx is into
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
ha otm
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
go read a bronies thread then
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
washing their hands of the nerdfest
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
I'm into it by proxy because the vagaries of suits dictate what winds up on TV. Having some idea of how this stuff works and why certain things happen the way they do helps alleviate a little of the frustration when things go pear-shaped with shows I enjoy.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
but this is like if ilx had actual bronies on it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
poly i was clearly responding to zachlyon's "re-branding" comments when i noted maybe they should just rip the band-aid off if that's the case
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's hard to believe that a bunch of music journalists and film journalists would be interested in television journalism.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
well itd be easier to believe if they were film & music business journalists, but im just playin w/e carry on, i do tho think they shouldve offed the office too for symmetrys sake
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
the office is set to be re-booted right? whatever that means
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'm honestly curious as to how they're gonna keep The Office going with half of the cast leaving. Are they still seriously talking about starting fresh with a whole new cast (speaking of terrible NBC ideas)?
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
I think that would be a terrible decision, but I agree that it's something someone might do in a hypothetical situation.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
NBC's decisions are roughly equivalent to waiting until the last week of your lease to start looking for a new place to live.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
but im just playin w/e carry on
psh when did you go soft
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
a breezy googling suggests there's already some folks saying the parks & rec/community death sentences are "premature"
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
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ha i just didnt have the heart for it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
tumblr may get its "jesus is risen" moment monday
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
So get writing, writers!
Also, "Freaks & Geeks" totally got an ending. Feig and Apatow both say it ended how they wanted it to end, just not when they wanted it to end.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Replace F&G with Party Down or Carnivale or whatev.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
It would be hilarious if NBC had this green mile of self-aware last seasons on Thursdays next year
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't 'community' only supposed to last four seasons anyway? having the same 6-7 characters stay in community college for longer than that seems like a stretch.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure there's a reason why they named it Community and not Community College.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
90210 dudes were in high school for like infinity years.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
ok i haven't read this thread but we all know that this is only happening to 30 Rock so far, right?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think we really know anything for sure yet.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
30 Rock has been officially announced for a shortened final season.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
Aside from the abbreviated seasons thing, I mean.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the freak & geeks ending was great, very appropriate (plus awesome grateful dead action)
comparing that to deadwood is wrong, deadwood's ending was so disappointing and that's one of my fav shows ever
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
f&g ending was more successful for sure but I still think f&g deserved more time to finish telling that story.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
actual last scene of Deadwood was great
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but there were so many storylines that were left up in the air :(
freaks and geeks it seemed better to me, i guess just because that's more what high school feels like, it's this huge experience for you and then it just...ends arbitrarily and then suddenly you're whole world has changed
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
@televisionary
It's official: 13 eps for #Community.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, just coming in. Seems reliable.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link