- there's a clearly demonstrable double standard in Thrones in that we get nonstop T&A and straight fucking but fleeting ON CAMERA DONG and the gay sex is of the mass effect variety with cutaway edits
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:48 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this bothers me most.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
i daresay thrones would be far more interesting and balanced a show if it were a lot less torture/standard porny.
there's very little torture iirc, and i'd love to see a breakdown of viewership by gender
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
agree that the strong emphasis on tits & (female) ass is kind of lame, given that the show does feature so many strong & interesting female characters. imagine it would appeal more strongly to women if the softcore were less obviously designed to attract the male eye.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also not at all convinced that there's some sort of corporate memo/note to the show creators saying "more tits plz
I remember reading that Party Down literally got these sorts of notes on their Starz show, so it would not be a stretch to assume that this would happen on other premium channels. There is a lot of network pressure to differentiate the content as "for adults", and nudity and violence are the easiest way to accomplish those goals and appease the suits.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
hasnt louis ck talked about how on his hbo sitcom they demanded nudity and since he didnt feel comfortable asking his female costar to do a nude scene he did it himself
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Starz definitely has that mandate, and I'm sure HBO probably did as well (the guy running Starz's original programming used to run HBO's). I just think HBO has probably moved away from that kind of need to appeal. Nudity in Luck was brief, in Treme it's been largely non-existent (if its been there at all),
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also not at all convinced that there's some sort of corporate memo/note to the show creators saying "more tits plz".
there are literally stories of writers for HBO shows getting these notes
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
not sure if this was addressed earlier, but i was pretty annoyed that OF COURSE the first significant African-American role in the show is to play a "savage" from the summer isles. i mean, i know they are described as "dark-skinned" in the books, but gtfo.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
pretty sure that british soundin dude wasnt american
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
lmao
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
not sure if this was addressed earlier, but i was pretty annoyed that OF COURSE the first significant African-American role in the show is to play a "savage" from the summer isles.
Both Xaro Xhoan Daxos and Salladhor Saan seem much less savage to me than your average soldier at Harrenhal.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
indeed
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
summer isles-american
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Boardwalk Empire has just as much nudity as GOT, but for some reason it seems more organically integrated with the plot
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
was this most recent episode the first one without any nudity in the series?
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Haha are you serious.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
Some of the sex stuff in Boardwalk made me cringe so hard.
The Wire didn't have a huge amount of sex scenes but any time it did they were pretty cringeworthy too
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:11 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean at least game of thrones hasn't devoted a totally annoying character to the task of showing boobs all the time
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
Was told that the Quarth dresses were changed from the book so every female wasn't exposing a breast, but idk if that's true.
Totally true. I had forgotten about that.
The Summer Isles are where the black people come from in this particular world. I don't get your point.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's weird they took out the one-boob dresses since they've been so boob centric so far
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
they could have fulfilled the entire season's boob quota in one Qarth-centric episode
― Number None, Friday, 4 May 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:24 (Yesterday) Permalink
pretty sure Ros fits that bill
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 4 May 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
She's not totally annoying though, and she works to give some kind of humanity to the legions of bare-breasted prostitutes the show usually serves up as window dressing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
okay lol @ braindead me for "African-American" but this...
this is what makes me get a little o_O over it. i mean, all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles. i think its more your problem if you read that as "black people" instantly.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
who have we met from the Summer Isles? are we talking about the pirate or the rich guy in Quarth?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
the rich guy in Qarth
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles
Uhh, ACOK has a character whose skin is as "black as polished jet" (pg. 237), what's more, "savage" is being used pejoratively I'm pretty sure by characters whose opinions we're not supposed to accept without question? I mean, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to see the Sumemr Isles as an analogue to Africa?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, medieval western europe wasn't really known for its advanced and enlightened views about other civilisations.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
rich guy in qarth (xaro xhoan daxos) hardly strikes me as a caricatured "savage"
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. as far as racial politics goes I think the Dothraki are more problematic than that guy.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, I think we're being trolled?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
even the southern westeroesians have fancy ethnic sounding names and are all tricky and cruel where northerners are named stark and are v honest and brave
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
by a heated debate over derpy hooves no less (xp)
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
can i just nnnnnnnnnghgh at this:
I feel like Martin has a lot more to say about politics, gender, etc. than Tolkien did. It's pretty interesting even if the strokes are broad
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
also, it seems like structurally any high-fantasy tv entertainment focused on medieval-england analogues is going to resort to, er, 'othering' non-white ppl. and no one is going to put the hbo boob money behind a high-fantasy tv entertainment which isn't focused on white people. -- it's a structural thing, rather than a failure of the writers. (the skeezy dependance on the demographics of boobs is both, i suppose.)
true of the books too to some extent i guess. (tho le guin did have a hugely popular juvenile fantasy series, from decades back, in which the main cast were not white: except when the sci fi channel adapted it, suddenly they were. now that was egregious.)
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
That film 'Crash' was so racist...
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:22 (twelve years ago) link
Summer Islanders are generally portrayed as rather civilised in the books.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:52 (twelve years ago) link
right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich. anyway, i was just disappointed because that was not how i read the Summer Isles inhabitants in the book at all.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
idk, I just interpreted that as being smarmy in order to get access to dragon
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
^ otm. the show has not insignificant racial problems; that doesn't rate (to me) as one of them.
― Olivia Newton John Justen Bieberheimer Schmidt (remy bean), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
Woha Lady in Red delivering that weirdo thing. It didn't seem like fun. Otherwise, I LOVE this show so much. I am not much into "fantasy" but this is so mad awesome. Probably cause it feels medieval to me
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched the latest episode while stoned and it seemed like the Muppet show
― homosexual II, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
?http://img2.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/fa0125705106919cdf023547d5b347ce1308943998_full.png
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich.
he mentioned that he wasn't born to wealth & power. didn't strike me as great pains, or an indication that he arose from savagery, but today hasn't been my day for figuring shit out so [< heads up, aero]
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
durnit why don't you l33k already.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 7 May 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh Ian
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 7 May 2012 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
was on tonight, but i missed the beginning, so i gotta watch it again before commenting. not a great episode, but not a bad one. mostly just moved the pieces around some.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 7 May 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
moyyyyyyyyyyy baaaaabbeeeeee
(dragons)
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 7 May 2012 10:09 (twelve years ago) link
Osha was pretty badass this ep.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 7 May 2012 12:56 (twelve years ago) link
loved the riot scene!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link