GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

particularly when i so spectacularly screwed up by failing to remember allison williams' name, oops

my objection above was that there's a lot of daylight between "alternatively, it's straight up misogynist bullshit" and "okay, this is a context in which referring to the actor as 'x's daughter' is not motivated by misogyny." i take you at your word that you're not trying to win some biggest-feminist-in-the-room game. so assuming that you generally think the good ppl of ilx are not trying to be sexist assholes, and considering that you probably could've gotten to Josh's explanation on your own without it being spelled out, maybe give ppl here the tiniest benefit of the doubt before suggesting that posters are straight up misogynists?

I'm misogynist

It's something to do with Japenese soup and women, right?

are people never allowed to point out when they think someone's said something sexist because people on ilx are good people?

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This is really nepotism vs misogyny and to some extent it's also about privilege and gotcha-ism. It's also little to do with the acting, production, cinematography and writing of the show.

of course they can but I think it's common curtesy that when someone says something that could be innocuous or could be malicious, to at least give them the benefit of the doubt long enough to ask them what they meant. xp to horseshoe

i was following on from this post

i'm really looking forward to the whole "let's refer to these characters ONLY AS XXXXX'S DAUGHTER" thing to run its course.

which i took as a reference to The Rest Of The Internet rather than ilx, i think the discussion here is mainly okay. on the other hand, we've already established that josh hates women.

Josh in Chauvinism

your turn to curtesy my turn to bow

where's jbr? she can use that name...

guys, I just mentally think of them as "british one, aspiring writer/main character one, nerd virgin, and the pretty one"

why because I don't care who they're related to unless they're obviously on the show due to nepotism or whatever

i think of them as 'my pals'

guys, I just mentally think of them as "british one, aspiring writer/main character one, nerd virgin, and the pretty one"

This is, for future reference, Jessa, Hannah, Shoshanna and Marnie (except all the others are cuter than Marnie). They refer to each other, by name, in pretty much every scene. If they were called Johnny, Johnny, Johnny and Dave, you motherfuckers would have Dave pegged after the first 120 seconds.

not really the best example

YOU MOTHERFUCKERS

love how the things people are getting heated about itt are just getting smaller and more trivial every day

'motherfuckers' is more amused than disgusted (though I'm not not disgusted), but a refusal to even learn the names of the characters is in a way kind of central to some of what is fucked* in this thread and other media reactions to Girls.

* most things in this thread are not at all fucked, including people not liking the TV show.

the falcon cannot hear the falconer

the falconer is calling the falcon a motherfucker and accusing it of misandry

there are just a billion posts on TV/movie threads on ilx where a character is referred to not by their name but by the name of the actor, or the name of a different project they were in, or the name of their character in that other project, or what more famous person they're related to or dated, etc etc. it's kind of funny to dwell on it in this instance.

context is everything, as they say

i'm not looking to be argumentative (really), but srs question: how long does it generally take you guys to learn the names of characters? i've been going through all the sitcoms i've seen on any regular kind of basis and it turns out that unless I've seen a season or two+ of a show, i rarely know many of the important character's names. i've seen ~8-10 eps of Raising Hope but the only character's name I remember is Martha Plimpton and that's the actress! from new girl i can name schmidt and zooey deschenal (Jes is the character's name iirc actually) but none of the other two roommates. i've seen about 10 eps or so of 2 Broke Girls but i only know Max, Earl and Oleg's names. I don't even remember the other main character's name. i can't name a single character on Veep (tho i can name Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Buster from AD, and My Girl actress)... maybe fodder for a new thread?

i generally never know character names or song titles

i never know song titles even on albums i otherwise know by heart

fictional character names are v v trivial & unless they become really iconic theres not really a reason anyone shd remember them ever

Andrew, I was making the point that I am at least, when I don't remember the names well, identifying them (to myself) by character and/or personal traits and not THE NAMES OF THEIR PARENTS.

So we are on the same side, imo.

u both get a gold star

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gold stars for both of you!

hah xp - they were for Mordy and lagoon because I can see they've made an effort even when things are confusing!

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The person who did "Tiny Furniture" made a TV show

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I haven't watched it or read this thread.

I'd like to think that the interest in this show is because everyone thinks it's the best new thing on TV and not because everyone's navel-gazing about their place in the world but

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oh thank god whiney is here to set us straight

i almost got lost in the hypnotic field of my navel

I only watch TV drunk so how the hell would I know the characters' names?

Yeah, now Whiney's here we can all agree on something.

hating the band because of the fans is never a good look

again, i didn't read the thread. If it's really 2,000 posts of "Oh man, this is so good," I'll shut up

It is.

the first part was people talking about how they are all white the second was how they are all girls (I think? maybe it was how they are all rich or something) and the third is how they are all famous ppls children

if it was 2,000 posts of people talking about how good it is it would be a p dull thread

it's 2,000 posts of ppl commenting about how many posts there are / there will be / there should be

pretty much

Ah, the olden days of like two months ago when I had to track down some broad and obscure thread to talk about Tiny Furniture. I think Lena Dunham is becoming internet famous, guys.

Is she the one in that show with Brian Williams' daughter?

she's the obscure broad