your favorite american films of the past 50 years with female protagonists

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former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

I'm kind of feeling like the exclusion criteria should be extended... Solely female protagonists (no male/female romance, no mixed ensemble), no 'girls about to be killed', nothing solely based on their psychological damage (that one's more tricky, but I look at a load of these and I just see 'women as victims' as strongly as you do with the about-to-die horror girl). And I'm certainly not saying that male protagonists never get these roles, they just get other roles too...

emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:15 (fourteen years ago)

And I'm not saying those roles are always bad roles, or in bad films, or anything. I mean, most of my favourite films are about psychologically damaged protagonists... argh, I don't know. Whatever.

emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:17 (fourteen years ago)

oh duh -- Sayles' Passion Fish w/ a pair of great performances by Alfre Woodard and Mary McDonnell, virtually in every scene together.

I almost mentioned this before realizing that I remember virtually nothing about it.

sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:17 (fourteen years ago)

I guess part of my problem is that I sometimes forget that there is a man there because all I remember about the movie is related to the women (Sisters, for example). I think Margot Kidder and Jennifer Salt are the stars of that movie. In fact, I don't remember the first thing about the man in Sisters aside from the fact that he was creepy.

former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:19 (fourteen years ago)

tank girl

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

Solely female's tough for an American film (unlike, say, Bergman); even obvious choices like Wanda, or An Unmarried Woman, or Fargo prominently involve men.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:22 (fourteen years ago)

Stillman's new one Damsels in Distress probably passes the Bedchel test.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:23 (fourteen years ago)

eXistenZ

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

wait no one's said Alien yet? lol

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

was gonna say Heavenly Creatures but I guess that isn't American :(

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

Freeway

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

Election (more of an ensemble thing I guess but Witherspoon and the other female lead whose name escapes me get as much screentime as the male protagonists)

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:33 (fourteen years ago)

no one likes Thelma and Louise anymore? :(

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:34 (fourteen years ago)

I should watch it again. Haven't seen it in probably ten years.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

Can't stand Thelma and Louise, I must say...

emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

Palindromes - more leads than I can remember, but all female

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

we're seeing taste overlap

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

more leads than I can remember, but all female

One of those was a willowy boy.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

d'oh! allright well 7 out of 8 were female

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

Go Fish

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, someone was talking about that recently - sounds good (or at least, it sounded good when I established in my head it wasn't terrible '90s Brit-flick Shooting Fish).

emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

would you guys consider jeff daniels to be the clear protagonist of something wild? i would say yes, esp. because melanie griffith is such a proto-M.P.D.G.

awesome lists here, though i must cavil that bonjour tristesse is 1959 and some of the other movies listed are objectively awful ("monster"?!).

i guess i'd add some interesting exploitation items by stephanie rothman: the student nurses and the velvet vampire (particularly the latter).

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:59 (fourteen years ago)

poltergeist maybe fits in here too? maybe?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

Little Darlings

^^^love this movie so much

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:02 (fourteen years ago)

Going with what emil.y's reply earlier, I do have a problem with a lot of these films' failure to pass the Bechdel test. And while I love A Woman Under the Influence & etc., they are films all about how bitches be crazy.

I'm seriously blanking on my favorite American titles though. All I can think of right now are European films--they tend to play with the limits of female protagonists more broadly. The Dutch film A Question of Silence, for example, tackles the intense emotional reactions of three women but further explores how this may be a reaction to systematic oppression vs. inherent craziness.

superpussy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

Monster is the Aileen Wuornos bio, rather than any other film of the same name (or Monster's Ball, for that matter). I haven't seen it, but a lot of people seemed to like it.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

they are films all about how bitches be crazy

To be fair, most of the movies not listed itt are about how men be idiots.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

Monster is so ridiculously terrible, the original Broomfield docs are infinitely superior

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

I'm assuming from it's not being mentioned yet that To Kill A Mockingbird must have turned 50 recently...

bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

You Can Count On Me

President Keyes, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:19 (fourteen years ago)

Um, ILX I know you hate Death Proof but DEATH PROOF

and it passes the Bechdel with flying colors

so there

:D

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

that one has so many protagonists it's a bit of a grey area altho yeah it passes the Bechdel test...

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:29 (fourteen years ago)

My favorites would def be Death Proof, and True Grit, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, and Beetlejuice.

True Grit apparently passes the Bechdel on a technicality bcs of the Boarding House lady which seems kinda weird, but for me the richness of Mattie's character outweighs my need for more than one female protagonist, (also given the period setting etc)

and I secretly love the Wynona "Little Women" movie.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:32 (fourteen years ago)

I secretly love the Wynona "Little Women" movie.

I don't even secretly love this movie, I just love it. I still hate Bhaer though.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:35 (fourteen years ago)

this isn't factually true, but i felt like penelope spheeris was an underlying presence in the jackass movies.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

Angela (Rebecca Miller's first film)
May

bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:42 (fourteen years ago)

May! Good one.

add No Such Thing even though part of the Sarah Polley character was a little bit meek and dull, the other part was not.

former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

some of the other movies listed are objectively awful ("monster"?!)

The way I approached this was to consult my .xls of every movie I've seen since 1992 and jot down all the ones that met the requirements. After doing so, I deleted the ones I disliked or didn't remember enough about to say one way or another. I'm in no position to defend Monster, but I recall not hating it.

sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

rambling rose

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

outrage & not wanted, both by ida lupino

moullet, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (fourteen years ago)

I secretly love the Wynona "Little Women" movie.

I don't even secretly love this movie, I just love it. I still hate Bhaer though.

― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:35 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this one too

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:35 (fourteen years ago)

everyone just seemed so perfectly cast

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

no shame in loving that movie -- it's good! Susan Sarandon was the only one who looked too modern (and portended sexless roles).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

would you guys consider jeff daniels to be the clear protagonist of something wild?

Yes; the most interesting character, not at all. It's like American Graffiti: Candy Clark, Mackenzie Phillips, and Cindy Williams are so much more interesting than almost all the male characters.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:45 (fourteen years ago)

Alien's an even worse fit than Aliens - Ripley is just one of the big cast, she doesn't become the most interesting until she's the only one left.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

she is, however, the protagonist when all is said and done. the movie just takes its time making that clear. i'd say it counts.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:47 (fourteen years ago)

xspost Alfred, yeah that's true...I'll give her a pass though because even her regular speaking voice is just so perfectly Marmee, at least to me. It's totally how she sounded in my head all those years!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (fourteen years ago)

times square

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:50 (fourteen years ago)


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