they just decided on second season theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZIK4Ymr0A
― buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
now now dont go white history monthing deric, thomp
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
this show was funded by grants set aside for white history month iirc
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
'white history monthing' seems like it's actually a surprisingly helpful verb form
― thomp, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think we need to otm every vacuous accusation of misogyny.
if you don't see how this is condescending then you must be profoundly unaware of how much of a douchebag you seem
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think maybe mordy called ilx shrill but u know ilx can be shrill and mordy is profoundly aware of that
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
the casting should be applauded on esthetic grounds rather than as materiel for the usual nominative/communitarian ruction
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
i would totally be up for a two lights biopic in which every character was played by the illegitimate son of a brat pack member
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
i just realized the person being referred to in the "your dad is gay" line was the co-star of Bosom Buddies
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
GIRLS starring "the drummer from bad company's daughter" and "tom hanks' former co-worker"
― madame boo berry (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
thomp, that's from this: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/03/fear-of-reese-witherspoon-look-alikes-on-the-pill.html
― s.clover, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
the casting obliquely makes a case for nepotism as a rising tide that lifts all boats, cuz daughters and sons are equally favoured it actually has a 'progressive' component
and it works as a 'wry commentary', cuz here is a show about young NYC media hopefuls, but don't forget that the people playing them already have media careers at 22 or w/e thanks at least in some mesure to their connections
i dont think anyone is arguing they arent good enough for their roles? so yeah.....kirke especially is kinda brilliant tho but see tiny furniture more for that
idk how much this is the case in america, with its political dynasties and tradition of plutocratic pseudo-nobility but in the uk at any rate, there seems to be a return to values that (tacitly or otherwise) favour ~good breeding~ and nepotism is in especially fine form these days
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
Again we are in some looking glass world where being the daughter of Bad Company's drummer opens doors.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
does anyone actually refer to her in a casual discussion of the show as Bad Company's drummer?
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
yyyyeah but not really, there are no bad fames any more than people care that your baronetcy came from a victorian opium magnate
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
theres no way the drummer of bad company could be any sort of industry connect guy
A governor on the board of NARAS (the Grammy Award Committee), Kirke lives in Manhattan with his wife, Lorraine Dellal, and his four children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Kirke
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
yes mordy we know she's "the british one" let it go
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
just looking thru this thread no one has ever referenced her by calling her the Bad Company's drummer's daughter except when discussing how lolzy it is that anyone would care about that particular fact.
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
i think in a way it's better for style section editors &c if u are like the child of someone from poison or ub40, if you are the kid of scott walker it is to be expected that you will be cool and it's not really a thing
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit, simon kirke? then surely more accurately she's Free's drummer's daughter
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
yerp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
she was referred to as Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter on that infamous rewrite of the poster that was posted on the internet somewhere
well they are both true
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Bad Company is really more famous than Free, aren't they?
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
I read somehwere that she went to school w/Lena - that's what opened the door.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
have they said where the characters went to school
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
she said 'liberal arts' in the last ep but im not sure weve been given a name
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
do they seem kinda wesleyan or are they more sarah lawrence
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
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not in the UK, where 'all right now' is a much bigger fm radio staple than anything by bad company
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
4 girls, 7 sisters
― buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think the assertion here is necessarily one of nepotism so much as: if you have family who have attained some level of fame in the entertainment industry, it's going to be easier for you to enter the entertainment industry on a somewhat higher level than Joe Actor. Whether this increased facility manifests as a result of strings your family members can pull or connections they have or name recognition or even simply the fact that they've had a level of exposure to the industry that allows for a greater understanding of its workings, the fact is that you're gonna have an easier go of it.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/jemima-kirke-girls_n_1444001.html
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
I hear the wishbone ash dudes have some talented daughters
― buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
"All Right Now" is pretty huge in America too but there are at least 3 Bad Company songs just as big
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i totally get that, just saying that bad co never really had that impact in the UK. in fact the only song of theirs i know (i think) is 'can't get enough of your love'. oh, they did 'feel like making love' too, right?
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
wow Bad Company really were much better in the US than the UK. they're like the Bush of the '70s!
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
better=bigger
Lena went to Oberlin so I assume that's the liberal arts college experience she's drawing from in her writing. xps
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Kirke's older sister, Domino is really rather lovely.
http://clubmonacolookbook.com/Spring2-2011/images/qanda/Interview_Pic_JEMIMAandDOMINO.jpg
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
alternatively, it's straight up misogynist bullshit
That's stupid. Dunham I know because of "Tiny Furniture;" she had a track record beyond her genes, relatively modest as even those may be, and she's also the star/auteur of this show. But the other three? This is it. Not a single one of them has made any waves outside of this show, afaik, not even in tabloids or whatever. So for the time being, being the shorthand "daughter of Brian WIlliams" trumps whatever the fuck name her character is on three episodes of this one show. That's no accusation of nepotism. It's stating the fact that for a huge number of people, Brian Williams - or David Mamet - is more famous than his daughter. It's just an easier shorthand than calling her by her character's name for casual viewers.
"Which one is that?"
"Brian Williams' daughter"
"Oh, her. OK."
Now, if Olivia WIlliams ends up doing anything else beyond this, she'll earn her own billing, dammit.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
people might even start calling her Allison Williams.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
That's funny, my bad. But then, I don't watch the show, I just bitch about it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
zosia mamet has been on a few other tv shows (notably 'mad men' but also 'parenthood' and 'the united states of tara') and some movies ('the kids are all right') so it's kind of silly to say she doesn't have a resume
i mean sure maybe her dad is "more famous" but it's kind of silly to be like "oh she's never done anything"
― madame boo berry (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
zosia is also really funny
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
Charges of nepotism and second sex (albeit wrt parents) still fail to address performance.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw I haven't heard of any of their fathers so most of this thread just confuses me without aid of Wikipedia
― salsa shark, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
nothin' misogynist about this
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17l7i2o6hs1krjpg/original.jpg
― thomp, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
It's stating the fact that for a huge number of people, Brian Williams - or David Mamet - is more famous than his daughter. It's just an easier shorthand than calling her by her character's name for casual viewers.
okay, this is a context in which referring to the actor as 'x's daughter' is not motivated by misogyny
there are and will be other contexts. viz gawker have been recapping this straight up refusing to use the names of the characters or the actresses throughout
there are, historically, a lot of structures in place which people use to denigrate art made by women: one of them being, they don't have any real talent, their fame is due to whose family they belong to or are sleeping with. (another one being, they are inherently self-absorbed and incapable of the high-falutin' mindset of the true artist.) (also the meta-level 'gad, this art made by women is just terrible for women', but i don't want to get into the game where we all try and be the best feminist in the room.)
― thomp, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link