that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

in all seriousness, though, as much as nabs covers the main thing that's odious about that stuff, one of the other things that i find obnoxious about white people using "white" as an insult is the otherizing of your own race, like 'oh i'm white but it's okay i listen to rap and watch chappelle's show, that guy is WHITE white' which is just like a more passive way of pulling some 'black on the inside' bullshit.

― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

plus it's just fucking stupid

― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:36 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nitsuh is not white

― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/05/bbc-6-music-saved

BOOOOOOOOOOO

― j/k lol simmons (history mayne), Monday, 5 July 2010 11:13 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

congrats to white people everywhere

― j/k lol simmons (history mayne), Monday, 5 July 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://whitepeoplehq.wordpress.com/

i lol'd http://whitepeoplehq.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/how-to-run-a-charity-that-gets-white-peoples-money/

better: http://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/359990238/the-rules-of-the-game-a-fuller-thought-on-j-hopper

http://i.imgur.com/IYVfNpS.png

common herbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rTFrJetYBgM/UCzlDnJCFaI/AAAAAAAAX3M/nG2h3T7iPGA/s1600/Frank_Bonner_on_WKRP.jpg

http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card16.gif

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Worst white man on the cover of the New Statesman's 'Great White Male' issue

Yes. Exactly. OTM.

I think the reason the white males are being singled out in this instance is

actually I'm gonna let you guys figure it out yourselves

whitemansplaining

that thread is literally 100% white men complaining about other white men

really

literally

100%

you heard me

Whitemannotsplaining.

KILLFILE 2.0

actually I'm gonna let you guys figure it out yourselves

― lool at the herrlich (wins), Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:30 PM (5 minutes ago)

the balls on this guy btw. you think your 'this issue about white maleness seems to only have white male contributors on the cover' complaint is so sophisticated?

OMG, LOL

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Guys, seriously, I'm crying with laughter. This is beyond self parody.

Your an honorary white English dude though.

my point was that it wasn't! xxp

I'm not white btw

Fucking act like it tho.

true

There are some really good posts in the original strain of this thread. What the fuck is the New Statesman anyway?

that thread is literally 100% white men complaining about other white men

Okay lol

I mean, yeah. The actual posters on the thread show greater racial diversity than the contributor list to the "Social! Justice! Issue!" of the New Statesman. That really tells you something about what we are irritated at, doesn't it?

(is it too soon to talk about the dollops of racism inherent in that whole "All British people are white!" assumption that Americans come up with?)

a lot of people with racial complexity in britain are made to assume they're white. i mean, i'm white, but i'm also half cypriot, which is ethnically distinct from anglo-saxon - i simply assumed i was 'as white' as all my schoolmates until ilx helped me confront fine ethnic nuance a few years back. i can imagine that there are lots of people who are made to smooth over their ethnicities, especially in a culture that refuses to 'see' race (i.e. much of white, middle-class britain)

a lot of people with racial complexity in britain are made to assume they're white

to be fair this could also apply to some of the Worst White Men from that NS cover, I think Botton's family are Sephardic jews from Egypt?

Yeah, absolutely, there is a ton of stuff to unpack about whiteness, and what it means, who has it, under what situations and how. And the cultural differences surrounding what it means and how it's expressed do vary between Europe and the US. I do not mean to simplify that complexity, or sweep it under the rug.

But, there's that line between not wanting to force people 'out of Britishness' by highlighting their race or ethnicity because that's icky and gross and othering. But at the same time wanting to dismantle that monolithic American (and not only American, it's a fantasy quite common here, too, coughUKIPcough but in this case it's coming from Americans) fantasy of Europe as 100% White because that's a racist fantasy which bears no resemblance to the present reality (or indeed the past).

Trying to counter that awful "I refuse to see race" attitude is a difficult line to walk without coming off like a twunt! "Race exists and I find it hard to talk about it, as a white britisher, but I'm going to try, even if I do it really clumsily and badly" seems like a more honest position than "I don't see race!" because jesus christ, I grew up in North London, South Africa and New York and wow, was I ever taught how to *see* race. I'll get it wrong, I'm certain, but I still think it's important to try.

last para v otm

So long as people are encouraged to self-define ethnically as they choose, I don't see a conflict with Britishness or even Englishness. The problems come when their choice is peer-determined, reductive and at odds with elements of their lived experience.

Europe as White, volkischness etc is a fascinating & grim topic about which I know not enough

I can't work out if Mordy is making a sophisticated satirical point or whether he's just a complete clown who has just assumed I'm white because no one has told him otherwise.

you act white

Sorry, Matt, we've been laughing too hard to tell him. <3

(also I think he has FINALLY - thank my lucky stars - killfiled me)

(laughing at him, not you. Sorry! You know we love you, DC)

that thread is literally 100% white men complaining about other white men

This thread is literally 100% white men complaining about that thread that is literally 100% white men complaining about other white men etc.

:)

worst white man disparaging the white men on the worst white man on the cover of the New Statesman's 'Great White Male' issue thread on the that thing white ppl do when they disparage "white ppl" thread

it's like these damn britishers just columbused the concept of "white ppl"

lols

in the interest of fairness & just to put the above exchange into context (at least as it pertains to me) I think I should note that mordy & I are fb friends & I was kinda assuming he was winding me up there re my ethnicity although it's more than possible he never twigged or legit forgot cause I act so darn white, & I don't really care either way (obv the point stands re other posters)

my original point was that even if everyone in that thread was a white man, finding it risible that the vast majority of contributors to that issue are straight white male and (crucially) terrible is not equivalent to going "ugh white ppl" like, in any way, at all. And if you actually read the thread we aren't* even talking about the things we were complaining about in the priv thread! We're discussing the individual terribleness of these 20 people.

*for the most part, not gonna say 100% like

posting that thread in this one just isn't the slam dunk you thought it was, sorry

that thing ilxors do when they disparage the ilx poster 'slam dunk'

Fucking act like it tho.

― everything, Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Ban this poster btw

dagzine4 years ago

it's amazing how it takes something like jazz and totally flattens it into something that kids can understand as Hip without understanding Cool. Kind of White. bip.

Posting "ppl" instead of "people" is so white.