anyway i still like this show a lot, it makes me laugh enough not to care too much about dancing to robyn at the end
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
There’s also a scene in one of the episodes where a guy says to one of the characters, “The first time I fuck you I might scare you a little, because I’m a man, and I know how to do things,” and it’s supposed to be a huge turn-on.
Somebody actually said that line to me, only afterward he was like, “That’s the thing my friend who works at Vice magazine taught me.” And I was like, the best way to negate the hot thing you just said is to end it with, that’s the thing my friend at Vice magazine told me.
Was it working before he said that?
No, it never really worked. I don’t think he was really willing to put his money where his mouth was. I’ve been watching that show “Bent,” and I just love the main guy in it. He’s a guy who comes over and is like, “When you’re ready for me, it’s gonna be crazy.” I’ve never had a situation in real life where that’s been effective, but in my movie life, it’s very effective. Real life – it’s grotesque. But if somebody says like, I’m paraphrasing, like, “We’re gonna screw and you’re gonna like it,” that is so much more attractive in theory than in practice.
― thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
i googled 'onion av club lena dunham interview' trying to find that (which is actually from the salon interview, oops) and even with 'lena dunham interview' in the search terms the episode guides show up above it on google. the mtynahseriouis tv wastching habits of genernation y
apparently there is also a neogaf thread about this show which before i click on i am going to pre-emptively take back the thing i said about the gawker posts on it being the worst thing in the world
― thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
dunham is really good at deflating those weird pretentions, especially w/r/t sex, so its weird to me that she played the marnie scene so straight
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, gen x was several years older than me during the grunge era, and i'm 'old' now
more than several, Generation X lasted from the 50s to the 90s as a current term for "oh our feckless young generation, wherever are they headed"
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's bcz marnie is a figment rather than an actual person
― thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
generations are pretty big, everyone who isn't a baby boomer or gen y is somewhere in the gen x spectrum
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i was surprised at marnie's reaction to that idiotic thing that dude said, too. lena dunham explained it in the little after-the-show clip but it still seems kind of out-of-character.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
marnie doesn't seem like a figment to me
like i thought the whole thing was going to be, marnie's having one of those intense flirty nights w/ this guy shes into, and he says this ridiculous thing and it completely ruins the moment
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
Mostly I'm taking away that girls in this generation have names that start with the same letter.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
was super-excited to see james legros
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
Gen X had nothing to do with the '50s. Though the '50s did give birth to youth culture, and young people are angsty and self-obsessed, so there's that.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
Generation X the book = based on Generation X the Billy Idol band = named after Generation X the 50's sociology book that Idol's mum had on a shelf.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:16 (twelve years ago) link
Named after =/= based on, obviously.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
really generation y ought to be referred to as generation x-subscript-2
― thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
The letters X and Y precede hundreds of generations.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
xps
There's "generation X" as a term that has been wheeled out since the 50s and then there's the generation which we currently refer to with that term.
A generation of young people about whose future there is uncertainty; a lost generation. In later use: spec. a generation of young people (esp. North Americans reaching adulthood in the 1980s and 1990s) perceived to be disaffected, directionless, or irresponsible, and reluctant to participate in society. 1952 Holiday Dec. 41/2 What, you may well ask, is Generation X?‥ These are the youngsters who have seen and felt the agonies of the past two decades,‥who are trying to keep their balance in the swirling pressures of today, and who will have the biggest say in the course of history for the next 50 years.1964 C. Hamblett & J. Deverson Generation X 8 The ultimate responsibility of Generation X is to guide the human race through the final and crucial decades of this explosive century into the enlightenment of the next one.
1952 Holiday Dec. 41/2 What, you may well ask, is Generation X?‥ These are the youngsters who have seen and felt the agonies of the past two decades,‥who are trying to keep their balance in the swirling pressures of today, and who will have the biggest say in the course of history for the next 50 years.1964 C. Hamblett & J. Deverson Generation X 8 The ultimate responsibility of Generation X is to guide the human race through the final and crucial decades of this explosive century into the enlightenment of the next one.
― NSFW Australia (seandalai), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
marine is a little better but not by much -- but it seemed really clear to me that her scenes in episode 3 were hers, the whole, "uptight girl gets sexual mind blown by Andy Samberg sidekick" thing
― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:48 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i mean i got what was happening from a character standpoint, its just in the execution it felt very hannah-y - just imagine dunham in those gallery scenes kind of mumbling to herself and going along with short dorky jizz in his pants guy and its a perfect fit. i didnt buy it, i guess its just me though
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
only generation x could take a thread about millennials and turn it into a thread about them
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
xp - No fair enough, switch the 'based on' to 'named after', just saying it's been a tag that's been around for a while - Douglass Coupland isn't the first to pin specific behaviours to general fecklessness, but his has stuck a bit better because a) he's Douglass Coupland and b) we were all the right age for it :)
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
xp nah i didnt buy it either really, i suppose it makes a little more sense if you imagine that the guy is some hip artist who marnie is really into
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Pretty sure boomers could've done this handily, too
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
It only makes sense to me if part of the attraction is his prestige
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:22 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hannah definitely would have rolled her eyes at "when i fuck you, it might scare you a little, cause i'm a man," though! marnie's desperate for the kind of fun she thinks she's not having in a committed long-term relationship. but it's still kind of hard for me to buy her not snorting at what that dude said.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
I asked my mom and she said you gen x'ers are being mean and she's going to call stet and complain if you don't knock it off.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
it would have worked better if the dude had been a really ladykiller/hottie but a real ladykiller/hottie wouldn't have said that.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
no i think it was good that he was sort of normal-looking and a dick
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
he was highly plausible all-around
hannah would have said something like: "scary, like, are you going to wear a scary mask or something?"
― scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
right, that makes sense, cuz it is something a jerky guy would say in a bar. but her reaction was...extreme to say the least.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
i was surprised at marnie's reaction to that idiotic thing that dude said, too.
i just assumed she is so sick of her boyfriend that anyone who is not like him will seem AWESOME and a possible escape. she's not a massively likeable character but i don't mind that.
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i "got" the psychological motivation and reaction it just seemed a bit... much to have her run to the bathroom to rub one out
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
well she's an art-history girl and he's an artist she admires, right? (i hope i'm not stereotyping by calling her an art-history girl.)
xxp i think that is what the show is saying, yes. it's just that marnie seems generally disdainful of horrible men so that moment is jarring.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, this show is fun enough for me. she can kinda go anywhere with it. that's the fun part.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah maybe Marnie is turned on by any sort of aggressive talk even if it's from a douchebag, since her boyfriend is so even-handed and nice. Like sex with dude who thinks he's in charge would be a great break from a dude who is probably asking "is that ok for you? do you like this?"
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Grass always being greener, etc...
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah wait until she finds out sex with everyone is pretty mediocre
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
well she was telling the boyfriend to be a man in the other episode.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
i mean she says as much in the second episode, again i dont think the character motivations are unclear, it all "makes sense," i just think that its a weird way for the scene to be played given the way the series has (so far) treated sex
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "be a man"
I guess that still sounds sexier than "have some self-confidence," though.
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
she fantasizes about men with self-confidence, max. nothing weird there.
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
I'm relieved to see people here (and Dunham) shooting down the efficacy of Jorma's sex talk. The way that line played out in the show (combined with all of the 'voice of a generation' stuff) had me worried that shit like that was secretly A Thing That Works. It was despair-worthy.
― Vaginal Meshes Of The Afternoon (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is Jorma, are you using some obscure actor dude's name, I am confuse
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
loled at 'The Craft' - 'American History X' exchange
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
"american history x" was weak, but "you look like you're going to get revenge on some popular girls" was legit. sad sack boyfriend thoroughly zung hannah in that exchange with the, "go tweet that" response, too.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
Jorma Taccone = "When I fuck you..." guy = Lonely Island member
― Vaginal Meshes Of The Afternoon (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
he looked like Evil Jimmy Fallon
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
oh, shortpants
― mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
should have made him a #menswear blogger
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link