Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

the reason i didn't do the thread was that i couldn't find a good clip of him speaking italian on youtube, he has the best accent for italian

xp Does he? and Swedish also?

Nakchivan, I am glad to agree with you.
I love Roy Hodgson.
He is my favourite manager currently working in the UK game.
He has dignity, intelligence, eloquence, decency that few others show.

I don't, of course, claim that he would be a success as England manager.

this IS kind of fun

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/29/roy-hodgson-england-fa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkF3O7qrUM

here he is speaking german (after the obese guy stops speaking german)

i have an a* gcse in german which means i can undertstand the words 'fussball' and 'ich'

hodgson's a good manager, never said he isn't, but it's hilarious how he's portrayed as this erudite, wise figure. he's a bullshitter of the highest order, he plays 'don't get beat' football, and if his time at liverpool's anything to go by then fuck knows how he'll handle the pressure of managing england. bring it on.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

I don't think he'll succeed at England at all - if it happens (maybe it's a flash in the pan story)
I don't have that much of a view of him 'as a manager' - ie I don't think he'll 'bring success'
I agree that he thrives on organizing lower-table players, not top ones

but, I also think he is an unmistakably decent, dignified man and his intelligence and, yes, erudition happen to be far higher than most people's in football. (He has read about 20 x as much Saul Bellow and Philip Roth as I have.) This would be true even if he was a disaster as a coach.

"It doesn’t bother me because I can’t do more than I am doing, I can’t work harder, I can’t work better."

For the national game development side of the job, he's the best candidate imo. For the national team manager side of the job he could well be a disaster imo.

This should be fun.

He's been given permission to go in for an interview, as will the other candidates. He won't get the job.

There aren't any other candidates, though?

the statement says he's the only manager that's been approached

and given that wording, i assume it's already been agreed behind the scenes

i don't see the contradiction between the claims supposedly made for his wisdom/erudition and his cautious approach to football

before cruyff and barcelonaism, 'don't get beat' was the foundation of most advanced footballing thought

i don't think he is an 'erudite' thinker-about-football manager like bielsa or sacchi or maybe lobanovski and zaccheroni, but he is certainly clever

there is something about the ability to think in different languages that I find intellectually impressive
I am thus terrifically impressed by the casualness with which RH talks German in that clip - in just the same sort of amiable way he would talk English

moment c.4:45 when he clearly cheerily tells the German bloke, 'ey, and Germany have a chance too, mate!'

He's probably the nearest to Graham Taylor there is, which isn't a criticism though in this context might as well be.

His erudition is not football-specific -- that's my point

I don't claim that he's a great manager, I just think he's a genuinely intelligent and knowledgeable man who seems also unusually nice.

totally

It's like when Curbishley went into meet the FA a few years back and the Sun assumed he was about to be offered the job.

it's hilarious how he's portrayed as this erudite, wise figure. he's a bullshitter of the highest order, he plays 'don't get beat' football

This can be safely written off as Liverpool fan myopia - his Liverpool team was shite but his teams at Fulham and West Brom haven't played like that at all. I also like his stanning for Updike and Milan Kundera, which within the football world basically makes him Einsten.

re England, I think he'd do slightly better if he had the players every week; but training once every couple of months, or whatever, I can't see what he can bring to it.

the statement says he's the only manager that's been approached

Yet.

Why would the FA only approach one manager, even given they've had headhunters doing the initial selection? It doesn't make sense.

The only rationale I can think behind it is that the other contenders would cost more, in terms of wages and getting them out of their contracts, than the FA are prepared to pay.

ok, he's obviously a bright chap, but jesus the shite he came out with at liverpool was just incredible. i can forgive the football, we knew what were getting when he got the job, i blame purslow for that. but shifting responsibility, claiming he can't work harder, slagging off the fans and his players in public, and spreading lies about the man he replaced? no thanks.

there are probably a lot of clever football managers but most seem intellectually incurious

the only times i can ever remember mourinho alluding to the lived world beyond football were when he mocked abramovich for 'shopping at waitrose' for discount players like tal ben haim, and when he said there were many famous theatres in catalonia (a clunkily spiteful reference to lionel messi's playacting)

Maybe 'arry let it be known he didn't want the job? By doing it publicly it would make any appointment look like second choice. Still, lets wait and see.

Bernstein said: "Roy is the only manager we have approached and we remain on course to make an appointment within the timescale we set out.

"Further conversations will now take place with Roy."

he probably can't work harder
he probably works a lot harder than I do, and harder than most footballers do
he is in his 60s anyway

re world beyond footy, Fergie ought to be able to refer to Govan shipyards but doesn't

I guess none of us know the truth yet re whether RH is really likely to get the job. Maybe he wouldn't even accept it if offered.

he probably works a lot harder than a lot of people who, like me, sometimes post to www messageboards do

btw I get the impression Redknapp works hard too
he gets up at 5 every day anyway to drive to work

I think most managers work very hard and I think a lot of players don't

I can't actually think of any manager who seems lazy.

I think Hodgson is a bit too frank for the England job really. He'll do something like claim England probably won't win the next World Cup and The Sun will go apoplectic. Also The Sun can usually be relied upon to get butthurt if they don't get their man in.

I suppose he'd get a ton of cash from it including a payoff when fired, all of which he could pass on to his children. That might be reason enough to do it.

i'm sure he didn't twiddle his thumbs all day, but don't tell us you can't work harder, and certainly don't tell us that you can't work better, because i don't think he did near as well as he should have done with his 35 years of experience. he does seem like a decent enough guy i suppose, but god we saw the absolute worst of him, there's no doubt about that.

England is like Liverpool plus, is my fear for him. At least the FA, by letting Harry fuck up his season first, have (probably) managed to avoid hobbling Roy from day one.

curiously Redknapp has been talking this week about building the future at Tottenham ... could conceivably connect with idea that he has quietly turned England down

but of course we all know that Spurs form has been terrible anyway and queered a pitch or two

I mean, one can just about conceive Redknapp not going to England, and getting replaced at Tottenham too
(not really, but a bit)

I don't think it's a question of Redknapp turning down the England job, it's the FA turning down Redknapp. I heard a month ago that 3 out of the four-man committee didn't want him.

more importantly, are our kids still playing 11 v 11 on full size pitches?

how about you as Hodgson's assistant with responsibility for youth team planning?

more now:

No approach has been made to Tottenham's manager, Harry Redknapp, who had been viewed as the favourite to succeed Fabio Capello.

Hodgson is out of contract in the summer, meaning the FA would not have to pay any costly compensation or become involved in any wrangling with the club.

That is in contrast to the situation at Spurs, who would expect hefty compensation were the FA to approach them about Redknapp.

Hodgson has coached the Switzerland and Finland national teams with considerable success in the past. He has also been successful on limited resources at West Brom, for whom he signed an 18-month contract last February after a disappointing spell at Liverpool.

West Brom said in a statement: "The club are currently in negotiations with Roy about a new contract – his current deal ends on June 30 – and remain very keen to bring these talks to a successful conclusion.

"However, Roy has expressed a desire to explore this opportunity and, accordingly, the club have granted him permission to speak to the FA."

Peace added: "Roy has done a fantastic job over the past 15 months and the fact the FA want to discuss the England role with him is testament to that.

"Roy is a proud Englishman and we can understand why he wants to speak to the FA about this highly-prestigious managerial position.

"However, we have emphasised to Roy how much we would like him to remain as our head coach and continue his major contribution to our project at the Hawthorns as we look to establish ourselves as a Barclays Premier League club.

"Everyone here has an excellent working relationship with him and he is immensely popular with our supporters."

already sent my cv

It is kind of damning that we have to wait for your appointment before any of the nation's qualified coaches can stop their groups of kids from playing elevens and move to fives or sevens instead.

HR is always said to have 'media support' but I think RH has had some too

Paul Hayward, now back at Telegraph, is close to him I think

i'd imagine it's cuz he tries to be helpful and in even though he isn't good at prepackaged slogans and cant ('mind games' as they're now called) he will deliver lengthy and thorough answers

wenger is like this too -- he still suffers the odd bit of tabloid boorishness during periodic lows, but he is generally genial and forthcoming at press conferences and hacks appreciate it

/and in even

realizing that something I like about all this is

that the FA are not just following an agenda set for them by 'media narratives'
or doing what seems line of least resistance (well, OK, RH is cheaper)
but making their own minds up and blithely ignoring assumptions that every journo has treated as certainties

England is like Liverpool plus, is my fear for him. At least the FA, by letting Harry fuck up his season first, have (probably) managed to avoid hobbling Roy from day one.

― Ismael Klata, Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:28 PM (1 hour ago)

deep into the counterfactual rabbit hole here, but if tottenham had continued their pre-springtime form then i expect redknapp would have been thrust into the job on a tsunami of tabloid hype

the totenham slump has merely given the FA some ~pausa~ as guardiola would say, and they have looked around and elected for the humble itinerant rather than the flashy barrow boy

I'm actually a bit annoyed about this as I kinda want Redknapp gone now.

If we finish sixth there may be a chance of that, i suppose. It's receding, though.

If England have a horrible tournament, it's entirely possible that the Redknapp bandwagon will start rolling again near the start of next season. Might be safer to kick him out now.

Guardian is saying Hodgson will be England manager