San Francisco and what to do in it

Yeah, I felt the same way, given the warnings I had heard. In the end it wasn't the state of the Tenderloin or feeling in danger walking through there, it was the juxtaposition I noted above, and, yeah, the fact that it seemed like so many needed help from the state.

GOOblar, also note that the homeless problem has been a major issue in mayoral elections for years, now.

After Times Square in the '80s, I find the Tenderloin a picnic.

xpost right, yeah I figured this isn't news to anyone around there..

I know this might sound naif but I find Times Square almost unbearable, now. I like parts of the Tenderloin: some good bars and restaurants and not nearly as sketchy as it used to be. Its ubiquitous bouquet of piss is somewhat of a challenge, though.

Oh, I agree, I prefer sleazy porn and street violence to $120-ticket Disney cartoon adaptations onstage.

I have a kind of self-loathing at my bi-coastal reaction, but it does seem to exemplify everything I abhor about modern America and the bad aspects of a 'cleaned-up' Manhattan.

The Tenderloin has been skid row for oh... about 161 years now.

Oh, I agree, I prefer sleazy porn and street violence to $120-ticket Disney cartoon adaptations onstage.

Morbz OTM

I like all three mixed together.

A man of such catholic tastes...

If you want to throw Catholics in the mix, I'm all for that too.

This thing is funto do.

"Urban artist collective that stages elaborate scavenger hunts and runs fake cult. Very cute idea.
Sort-of like a bored yuppie's version of live-action D&D."

Sigh.

I have a (potentially dumb/obvious) question...does anyone know why the Tenderloin hasn't naturally gentrified? Considering the theoretical value of the land (esp in the 90s and 00s) I was always surprised it hasn't been slowly bought up and cleaned up.

er..."naturally" = naturally, rich people like to do stuff that makes them more money

It has shrunk. It just takes a while for these things to happen.

catholic

-adjective
1. broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2. universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3. pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.

joke

–noun
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act.

dim

–adjective
1. not bright; obscure from lack of light or emitted light: a dim room; a dim flashlight.
2. not seen clearly or in detail; indistinct: a dim object in the distance.
3. not clear to the mind; vague: a dim idea.
4. not brilliant; dull in luster: a dim color.
5. not clear or distinct to the senses; faint: a dim sound.
6. not seeing clearly: eyes dim with tears.
7. tending to be unfavorable; not likely to happen, succeed, be favorable, etc.: a dim chance of winning.
8. not understanding clearly.
9. rather stupid; dim-witted.

Yellow Cab SF Location Map.

are those only the "for hire"s or all taxis?

This thing is funto do.

― Bobbi Peru, Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:01 PM

I love San Francisco

I think they are all taxis in SF, Steve.

This was actually quite fun.

Anybody been to Nopalito, yet?

Is that the Mexican Restaurant next to the grocery store at Broderick/Fell?

Yup. Went there last night.

Gun Club tomorrow night for maly's bday.

w/ tim sweeney and mike simonetti

"Yup. Went there last night."

Is it good? My dog got tied out in front there enough.

so I'm not so new to the bay area but I'm new to actually living in the city.

question: good indian food near upper haight?

also: cheap

Naan & Chutney on Haight/Fillmore is cheap. It's debatable how good it is.

yeah I keep walking past that place and considering going in.

cheap is more important than good right now actually.

this place's deco is not much to look at, but it's tasty, cheap, the veggie options are good and the waiters take friendliness to levels of surrealism (they're good people). if that was my neighborhood I'd eat there a lot.

http://newgangessf.com/

775 Frederick Street

if you want cheap indian, go to the tenderloin.

it will def be better and cheaper than anything in the haight (nb: i do like n&c for what it is).

what's good in the tenderloin? I usually pass through on my walk home anyway

there's a trio of restaurants around jones/o'farrell that i think are all great:

shalimar
lahore karahi
chutney

awesome thanks

I've only been to Shalimar of those three and it's good, but not worth going out of your way for.

Steve, on a slightly higher end Indian tip, have you eaten at Dosa?

http://www.shalimarsf.com/jones_menu.html
http://www.lahorekarahisanfrancisco.com/Menu.html
http://www.chutneysf.com/menu.htm

i like dosa but it's $$$. if you get out of the city, specifically the south bay (fremont esp.) you can get much better south indian.

for $-$$

Dosa r0xxors but yeah not cheap. and no question there is better indian food outside of SF than within it. There's a chaat house in Berkeley that is amazing A+++ authentic stuff

I've never been to Fremont, but considering every Indian I've ever worked with has lived there I would assume the food is much better there.

something to do after an A's game in 2012 I guess

Hahaha, there's that and every Indian restaurant I went to I was the only non-Indian there as well.

Speaking of outside SF... there was (is?) a KILLLLLLLLER buffet place in sunnyvale that i went to about 5-7 years ago.... they had SIX different rices for example. The buffet was about 50 yards long no kidding.

I always wanted to go back, they had mango lassi froyo... sigh...

$8.95 for lunch. unbelievable deal.

okay, my coworker says it's called Sneha... but that it changed owners and isn't as good as it used to be.

http://www.grandindianbuffet.com/images/gib_img3_000.jpg

if Mets win NL East this year Steve Shasta drives me to outlying eateries on my next visit