Nathan Barley comes to TV

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new episode 3 answers?

koogs (koogs), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

despite watching it twice i'm having trouble remembering anything about it. 15peter20 and his photos. restaurant. attempted seduction. er...

koogs (koogs), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

My girlfriend got cross the other day because I wanted to watch this and it's not very good. I ended up watching about 10 minutes of it and thinking WTF and then flicking it off. She was right - it's not very good.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

okay yeah it was a bit shitty this time.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i tht it was better than ep 2, not as good as ep 1.

15NRQ20, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was funnier than all the others, which I suppose, for a sitcom, is what you're after. "Would you stop rapping please?" is comedy gold.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the first one I've seen, and I laughed! The way Nathan mangles his facial expressions to try and seduce Claire in the restaurant were simultaneously HILARIOUS and UTTERLY REPULSIVE, if he can keep this up they'll be as essential to his type of character as Lyn's facial expressions in Alan Partridge.

Would you stop rapping!! Argh!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

claire is taking on some of nathan's language.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Music geek alert - "I Want More" by Can was playing in the background when Dan was trying to write his piece on 15Peter20. But.. but.. he's a bibble...

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

god, the s/t is too right. i have practically everything they use.

NRQ, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Look Around You was a bit disappointing this week too, but then again I wasn't stoned this time.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, I thought ep 3 was the best by far. It's hitting its stride as we get to know the characters. I laughed lots.

Crackity (Crackity Jones), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

1 was a bit bad.

2 was disgusting.

3 was not as bad as 2.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I got told off the other night because I confessed that I actually found Nathan's attempted seduction of Claire quite sweet, and that I would have probably fallen for it myself in younger days. "Would you mind not... rapping!" included. He grows more sympathetic by the episode while Dan grows more repulsive. Sigh.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this the other night. It was very bad. It seemed a soap, not a comedy.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

cathy figured this show out (=if you want to enjoy it, you're not supposed to watch it).

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Current viewing figures = 700,000. Crumbs.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this last week for the first time, it was OK I guess. "Would you mind not rapping?" was very good. It made me cringe a few times a la Peep Show. I don't think I'll make a point of watching it in the future though.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

it must be faced that its appeal is quite selective. nevertheless, far from being very bad, it is not bad at all.

NRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

you people. i can think of hundreds of other shows i'd rather NOT watch than nathan barley.

15peter20 was ridiculous and i loved that. i love any scene with jonathan yeah (dan's boss).

and nathan would have almost banged claire if he didn't start dancehall mc'ing!

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

15peter20 just reminded me of too many ex boyfriends and ex boyfriends' friends. Hilarity.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get the hate,
I think it's great!

I'm downloading them with bittorrent
do you find my repeated viewings abhorrent?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

the boss is rubbish.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

We'll agree to differ, I think Jonathan Yeah? is funny and it seems as tho he's the only character in the show with any genuine talent

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and ep 3 saw the first eldon/heap/schneider cameo, right?

NTQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Doug Rocket = Dave Stewart... obviously

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

No-one save for me seems to have noticed the death motif thing with Johnatton. Toy gun in Ep 1, crow on a tray in Ep 2, gun in mouth gesture in Ep 3. Only happens when he's talking to Dan. Oh what might happen there then.

why must we cut onions? (Lynskey), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Dave Stewart was a bit of a strange target.

The Dan character...maybe it's charlie brooker putting himself in there, so that he can cover his own back a bit. Writing a sitcom about nathans is a totally nathan thing to do, and he probably knows that, so by putting a nathan who hates the other nathans (but writes about them) into the show itself, he's trying to distance himself from them without actually denying he's just as bad as they are.

People I know who live outside london and think londoners are cunts seem to find this funnier than I do.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and ep 3 saw the first eldon/heap/schneider cameo, right?

And Morris voice over, obv.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

People I know who live outside london and think londoners are cunts seem to find this funnier than I do.

Oh, we don't just "think" Londoners are cunts. ;-)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm watching this series mostly for the Orwellian linguistic games, which I think are well futile (ie great), and for the fashion tips. Episode 3 wasn't a great one for me, everything got a bit too normal. But, judging by the trailer, episode 4 looks very promising, revolving as it does around hairdressing, and specifically the relationship between error and innovation (Dan sleeps with his head on paint, wakes up with asymmetrical hairdo, Nathan goes to expensive hairdresser to get the same result.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i still haven't seen the third episode so don't know what the 15peter20 stuff is about. anyway i seem okay with this series, i don't really think of it as primarily 'comedy' or indeed sature, so the pinefox was on the right track with the 'soap' thing perhaps.

i don't really want to see Nathan humiliated, i just want him to stop being a 'cunt'. but of course that would go against the premise of the show. neither route is REALLY satisfying though (satisfying != funny necessarily), so what i end up appreciating about this show is really just that there's nothing else quite like it on TV and it's doing something akin to what The Office and a few other programmes have done, troubling and saddening as much as amusing, and playing around with your reactions and attitudes to the characters in interesting and relatively novel ways.

this week Dan scored a 'victory' over Nathan - but Nathan somehow scored a 'victory' of his own away from everyone else, which perhaps settles the score in his own mind. so next week will he still idolise Dan or has the relationship changed forever? soapy indeed...

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

scissors in the cats head. fucking, gold!

Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

in the third episode nathan is still prevailing over dan. did anyone see the fourth episode yet?

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

no Jonotton this week :(

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

scissors in the cats head. fucking, gold!

ha, it was just...silly. the scissors could surely never penetrate a cat's head after falling from that brief a height! this has ruined the entire series for me far more than anything else...

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt sorry for nathan at the end.

and for some reason, dan drinking a pint on the street, in clement weather, with short hair, it seemed really london.

a soap opera that's only 6 shows long.

it's good when things are funny but it's not the be all and end all.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

continuity Vs. authenticity Vs. meh

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

best thing abt series so far: "this FRI-DAY night!"

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah every promo has an awesome sample!

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

at this point i just look at the actor who plays nathan and laugh. something works here.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the trailers are better because i love the Super 8 look

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, it was just...silly. the scissors could surely never penetrate a cat's head after falling from that brief a height! this has ruined the entire series for me far more than anything else...

are you kidding? The fact the scene had Kevin Eldon in was suggesting right away that this was going to be great. It was a breath of fresh air in what is slowly becoming, for a country bumpkin like me, a very alien sit-com.

what else in this episode was actually worth viewing?

Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yes i was kidding, but i still don't know if i liked it, Kevin Eldon excepted

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That was the best one, but I still think Charlie Brooker's ideas don't work as well acted out as written down. I just don't think it's vicious enough, like Debden says the TVGoHome stuff stuck the boot in on the social wrongness, the series doesn't make the point well at all. In fact the lack of such point scoring makes me think the whole thing's going to come to some sort of contrived ending.

Webb Friendly (Webb Friendly), Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The fourth episode is great, I felt like it was a payoff for what the first three set up. Dan as the loser who's not going to get out of this niche he's entrenched in, Claire realizes that Barley doesn't give a shit about her, and Pingu gets to laugh!

The ultimate insult? The Japanese really love his hair! That mock tv show during the credits killed me. I eagerly await Momus's interpretation.

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i laughed anytime the name DAJVE BIKINUS was mentioned.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god, I'm watching it again and just noticed that the magazine the scissors were sitting on was called WHY CATS PAINT. That and Dajve's statement about "..if you get your hair right, everything else falls into place."

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Why Cats Paint is a real book, y'all.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Sunday, 6 March 2005 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I was expecting quite a lot from this one, but in the end I have to say the best thing in it, from the perspective of pretentiousness brainstorming anyway, was Doug Rocket outlining a concept album "about the various sizes of paper". (I'd buy that!)

The scissors-in-cat's-head was funny, but rather childish. What really irked me about this episode, though, was the bad faith around the haircut theme. The Office elements of social embarrassment were very much at odds with the Rake's Progress elements of fop satire, and The Office won. Brentism banished Hogarthian satire, which depends on a certain amount of verisimiltude. Morris and Brooker showed themselves more familiar with embarrassment than with fashion. They went for cheap laughs at other people's humiliation rather than looking at how dandyism and fashion work. A real hipster with the balls to try an outrageous hairstyle would not so quickly go from arrogance to shame, and a real hipster milieu would not be so unanimous in its ridicule or its praise. There's a liminal zone between cool and uncool, and it's perhaps the most interesting place, that zone of uncertainty between style hero and prat. That liminal zone was completely elided in this episode's rush to show pride coming before a fall.

The Japanese TV thing at the end was actually a silly racist stereotype as bad as anything in Lost in Translation. There are no shows like that on Japanese TV. It looked like a cross between a purikkura (print club) machine and 1980s UK yoof TV. They should've got Magenta Devine and members of Sigue Sigue Sputnik to celebrate and rehabilitate Nathan's hairstyle instead.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 6 March 2005 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)


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