maybe in twenty years I'll understand how you could sing "no more money" to your kid in the middle of a meal, but for now I'll say they deserved to be ignored for the rest of their vacay
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt find them as appalling as your description made them seem tbh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
the parents were fine and totally in the right imo
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
what did i misrepresent
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
she said that at the height of her exasperation, she wasn't like gleefully singing it to her or anything
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
struck me as needling, cruel ymmv prob depending on assumptions about the undeveloped backstory and your annoyance with dunham's chatter before and after
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
struck me as more tough-lovey
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
nothing says tough love like "i deserve a lake house"
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
it's funny to me that people consider the "no more money" thing to be so stinging
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
if there'd been a single line suggesting there'd been some warning, they couldn't afford to help, etc, I'd probably been quicker to sympathize with the fact that they'd raised an intern with creative writing dreams
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
I get the feeling it was an ongoing argument/discussion before the episode began, but anyway it just seemed like a generic frustrated thing to say. it happens.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
dunham says she'll explain the backstory if there's a second season
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
How long has it been that a half-Jewish, half-gentile cast is considered homogenous and "lily-white"? Maybe 20 years? It's a sign of cultural progress that it's so, in any case.
It seems like a lot of tv/movies with diversity issues are primarily focused on Jewish/Gentile contrasts: Woody Allen, Seinfeld, this show.
One interesting thing about the fuckbuddy (and he's a classic one--meant for an occasional roll in the rhay, but not boyfriend material) is that he's like Schwimmer's younger hornier brother. I think she honestly means it when she thanks him at the end of that session. One of the many great details in this episode is the tiny muscle-flinch in his jaw when she asks if they'll hang out again soon (or whatever the line is).
Thse kinds of details, and the subtlety of how conversational rhythms and body language carry the scenes as much as the basic action, leave me curious about what the episodes that Dnham doesn't direct will be like.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the "i want a lake house" line to be a perfectly valid way of expressing the mom's frustration with her daughter's neediness and her desire to have her own life, i'm not sure why this bothered u so much but that's not the way i read it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
(her rebuttal to one point was "would anyone say anything about a show with four black or Asian women?" I asked her which shows those were)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 20, 2012 4:32 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ah the old "why is there no white entertainment network?" argument. fuck these people.
(but as an aside i have watched many many episodes of "living single" and it is an awesome show!! note to self: check if this is on watch instantly when home.)
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
if lake house = a life of her own, no one wonder maybe her daughter is needy and spoiled?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
if u say so, i dont think lake houses are inherently evil things
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
i do think they're a sign of privilege, ymmv
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
She means, in a practical way, that she could spend her TIAA-CREF pension on a nice retirement or give it to her daughter who expects to be on mom's payroll.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
chill about the lake house
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
exactly. and i agree they are a sign of privilege but i didnt think thats what we were talking about?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
sign of privilege, yesbut two years out of school for $20k or w/e, any parent is within his or her rights to bitch IMO
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
we're all dealing with the same material, just varying degrees of sympathy based on our assumptions on the backstory. We don't know their income, how much they're giving her in relation to it, how many arguments they've had, etc.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjx5fb-Tk0
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Seems like the line gets to the point that the parents thought they would pay her college tuition and then start saving for themselves and their own dreams. If that's a lake house, so be it.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
well considering her "counter-offer" is $1100/month you can imagine they're spending a fair amount of cash
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
i do think parents in general have an obligation to teach their kids how to live on their own. nb i have no idea if these parents did that, or are just getting around to doing that now, but she is (at least in part) who she was raised to be. at the same time, you can't blame your parents forever for not giving you a perfect upbringing
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
ugh sorry about that post lets try that again, just watch this over and over
http://youtu.be/GNjx5fb-Tk0?t=2m4s
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
fuck!!!!
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, April 20, 2012 5:17 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^ this. it didn't seem like a particularly selfish line to me
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
ugh hey i just think, without more info, that the mom sounds spiteful/resentful above and beyond her daughter's crimes. That's all.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
but srsly, how is wanting a lake house (that you pay for yourself), more privileged and spiteful than wanting a free ride for 2 years+?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
let moms have lake houses!
I'm personally looking forward to the day when I can tell my son "No more money!" but he's only 9, so I have a few more years to go.
― Moodles, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
let daughters have two weeks warning!
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
also being played in a comedy, so of course it's going to be ramped up and in public rather than a short private conversation outlining the end of support
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the emily nussbaum review said judd apatow gave "higher stakes" notes a lot so yeah wacky sitcom hijinks ahoy
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
surely the implication is that hannah is just like her mom? also the m.o. of the show is to not show anyone in a good light, so there's that.
ps college professors have hella entitlement and go their whole careers in stunned disbelief that they don't make as much money as they should
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
plus are super liberal and elitist
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
"higher stakes" = have the dude try unwanted anal sex
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
true! xp
Omg u guys.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Just like Vampire Weekend with its Jewish and Persian members.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
</nabisco>
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://data6.blog.de/media/863/5101863_d7a939bc44_m.jpg
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Still need to read that
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 20 April 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
still wanna see this show.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
that was the 1000th post. you guys are making it sound really zeitgeisty and something i MUST see. even the haters. you all love the new voice of generation twitter. she is your president and you want to marry her!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQfvq9RfM0
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
thanks!
― scott seward, Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link