calling yom hashoah "little-known material" is pretty cold
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
xposts, yeah yom hashoah is not a religious holy day, it's a secular rememberance day
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
calm down guys - wrong thread/cross-posting
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Why is it that remembrance of so many ancient experiences of the Jews are holidays but yom hashoah is 'secular'. It reminds me of the Protestant tendency to call Paul 'Saint Paul' but then deny there are any ppl worthy of being saints since, like, the 2nd century.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
well what was the last blockbuster holiday based on little-known material that succeeded
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
crisis of authority since the dissolution of the Sanhedrin xp
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
moving on from serious to this:
Are these guys any good?
The 13th annual Washington Jewish Music Festival brings Hadag Nahash, the best-selling hip hop band in Israel, to the Fillmore Silver Spring for a live show featuring their high-energy dance mix of funk, rock, reggae and Middle Eastern beats. With six hit albums released since 2000, they've also won awards for their social activism, with political songs that rail against racism, corruption and the rising internal violence in Israel. Lead singer Sha'anan Streett pens much of Hadag Nahash's music, and the band has shared the stage with artists like the Black Eyed Peas, Matisyahu and others, as well as landing a song on the soundtrack of the Adam Sandler movie Don't Mess With the Zohan.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
yes, they are!
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
much better than the artists they've shared the stage with, or the films they've contributed songs to
Hadag Nahash are great, yes, go see them.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
zohan is good! it's adam sandler's MUNICH.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
thought about posting this on the fake jews thread but anyway this book looks really coolhttp://www.jewishreviewofbooks.com/publications/detail/what-a-friend-we-have-in-jesus
― Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50E11FC3F5C11738DDDAE0994D1405B8885F0D3
In the Temple Israel of Harlem Dr. M. H. Harris delivered a lecture last night on "The Influence of Good Wishes." The sermon to-day will be on "The Jewish Question." This morning's topics at some of the other principal places of worship will be: Temple Beth-El. Fifth Avenue and Seventy-sixth Street, "The Larger Life and Larger Visions," (in English;) West End. "Sunshine and Shade": Atereth Israel, in East Eighty-second Street. "Individual Contributions for a Prosperous Year"; Temple Emanu-El. Fifth Avenue and Forty-fourth Street. "The New Era."
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 April 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
HEY JEWS I JUST JOINED THE JCC WHAT MORE DO I GOTTA DO C'MON
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
I mean xpost to Mordy but hey I'm gettin' real now; they had to adjust the membership camera for a 5'11 person I mean I'm sorry I'm tall but let me be one of you.
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
For real I should post the pick because aside from the tall I promise I could pass! I've been told so by REAL JEWS.
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
pick=pic, also it has been decided by some real jew friends that I can't pass not b/c of the tall but b/c my nose has not been "fixed" true story yo
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
Why do suburban reform/conservative jew girls take nose jobs as a thing idgi. Does this happen in orthodox communities (Mordy? Help me out here)?
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
Also I am on prednisone in an attempt to get my back problems in order so please ignore me I am wired. No don't b/c I really would like thought on jewish body image stuff.
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:25 (twelve years ago) link
nose jobs not such a big thing in ortho communities. have u read pynchon's V? big chapter on jewish nose jobs.
"Have I told you, fellaShe's got the sweetest columellaAnd a septum that's swept 'em all on their ass;Each casual chondrectomyMeant only a big fat check to meTill I sawed this osteoclastible lass
not sure how common it is in any jewish community in 2012 tbh.
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:51 (twelve years ago) link
Oh damn, I have not read V, but it is now on my short list.
I can reel off so many nose jobs that I figured they were a widespread cultural thing idunno. But yeah, noses are a thing at the JCC in DCMetroarea.
― quincie, Thursday, 3 May 2012 08:29 (twelve years ago) link
i just realized that you might've been literally asking why jewish women would get nose jobs (i had initially read your question as more like: 'i can't believe ppl are willing to do this to themselves!'). there's a lot of racial baggage about jews and noses - particularly assertions that they are genetically predisposed to having large noses. i remember reading this in school:
All the children raise their hands. The teacher calls on Karl Scholz, a small lad in the front row. “We have talked about how to recognize the Jews.”“Good. Say more!”Little Karl reaches for the pointer, steps up to the board and points at the drawings.“One can most easily tell a Jew by his nose. The Jewish nose is bent at its point. It looks like the number six. We call it the Jewish six. Many non-Jews also have bent noses. But their noses bend upwards, not downwards. Such a nose is a hook nose or an eagle nose. It is not at all like a Jewish nose.”
“Good. Say more!”
Little Karl reaches for the pointer, steps up to the board and points at the drawings.
“One can most easily tell a Jew by his nose. The Jewish nose is bent at its point. It looks like the number six. We call it the Jewish six. Many non-Jews also have bent noses. But their noses bend upwards, not downwards. Such a nose is a hook nose or an eagle nose. It is not at all like a Jewish nose.”
there's tons of anti-Semitic cartoons that prominently feature a caricature with a large hooked nose. i'm not sure how common jewish nose jobs still are, but at one point in america they were very common. i think they generally indicate someone who feels they look too Jewish and wants to pass - which is why they're afaik virtually non-existent in the orthodox community (who aren't trying to pass).
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:43 (twelve years ago) link
would it be unkind to say that anyone seeking a rhinoplasty to dissimulate their ethnicity in america in 2012 is a pusillanimous fool
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
unkind but fair. u should go to war with the nose you have, not the nose you wish you had
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
this is my favourite nose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nose_%28Gogol%29
i don't remember it having any antisemitic elements
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
ironically the one time gogol wasn't a raving anti-semite
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
probably all the c19th russian greats were at least somewhat antisemitic
gogol at least had the excuse of being completely insane
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone heard anything about this? http://www.amazon.com/The-Genealogical-Science-Epistemology-Practices/dp/0226201406
i kinda really want to read it, but i'm nervous about it...
― Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
I vaguely recall reading something about that, somewhere.
In other jew news: I bought some challah today.
― quincie, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, I remember reading about some genetic study of Kohens (Cohen, Cohn, Kohn, etc...) worldwide and how many of them could actually trace themselves back to a single ancestor, presumably Aaron.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 11 May 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure they all go back to the coen brothers
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
the coen fathers
― max, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah- I read a decent book about Jewish genetics a couple years ago called something like Abraham's Children. This book seems more about interrogating the discursive elements of genetics rather than the scientific corpus. I think Jewish discussions of hereditary inheritance are kinda ripe targets for criticism, so maybe unfairly I worry that this book will be polemical. I really hate that shalom sand book, tangentially.
― Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
I would almost guarantee that book will be at least subtly polemical.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
That's what worries me, especially bc often what is being covertly discussed when you talk about Jewish genetics is political (particularly wrt Israel). I find it really offensive when someone explains to me that my ancestors were importers (cf sand).
― Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah even reading that synopsis i was 'waiting for it'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
who says our ancestors were importers???
On an unrelated note my copy of Herschel's 'on prophets' just came in. I'm really excited to read it
― Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I mean her other major book is about Jewish claims to Israeli land.
Which is not to say that her work is not legitimate, I just think it's an example of how "exposing" the political motives behind something can also a political move.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry zing typo meant "imposters" xp
Like you know, the subtext sort of strikes me as "Judaism is a CONSTRUCTED identity," and then there's no accompanying caveat on how maybe so is Palestinian, Arab, White, African-American, British, Italian, etc.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, I think Jewish claims to Israel based on ancient ties are about as silly as anything.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Part of the tension here is that genetics are incredibly important to Ashkenazi Jewishness beyond just inheritance wrt genetic disorders, testing, etc. Forward for instance has a yearly Genetics supplement so it's not like this is all bullshit eugenics constructed identity stuff. It's also life and death stuff ppl deal w daily
― Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
All identity is constructed! Do we really think that any king's lineage is 100% reliable?!
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
It's all about street cred in the ghetto.
― bnw, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Ok taking this thread in another direction appropriate for SHABBAT . . .
I'd love to hear experiences/thoughts on shabbat observance/non-observance. Did you grow up with any Shabbat observance? Do you do anything special for Shabbat now? Or is it just another day/no biggie?
― quincie, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
used to grow up with candles/family dinner.
as with all jewish observance, i dont do nothin now
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
Did you like the candles/dinner thing, or did you resent it? Do you find yourself drawn to that idea now, or not at all?
― quincie, Friday, 11 May 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Did you grow up with any Shabbat observance?
My family is observant, so full blown Shabbos observance.
Do you do anything special for Shabbat now? Or is it just another day/no biggie?
Obviously I'm not totally observant, but we go out for Shabbos meals about once a week and host them ourselves. We also go to shul every few weeks or so. We like the social aspects a lot, but not the restrictions so much. I would never work on Shabbos.
― Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
― quincie, Friday, May 11, 2012 7:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was fine with it, and i still am, but its not my thing
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 12 May 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link