GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

i guess that explains the meanness

yeah. btw link in Clusterfuck thread indicates that Arfin is a former Vice writer.

that yeah was to al

ah i knew that name looked familiar

multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose

Her pose is always the same because it is a design feature. It conveys the stereotype her character is built around. Since the series is too new to have progressed beyond the grossest of stereotypes into nuances, the pose is still unchanged. Simple, really.

I haven't seen the show yet, but I still think she is weirdly cute.

here's the link from that thread, in the interests of completism. i agree with the writer of that article that a lot of pressure was being placed on this one show wrt lack of diversity, which makes arfin seem like that much more of an idiot. there are so many graceful ways she could have responded to the criticism.

I don't give a fuck about people of color I hate white people

x-post - otm - her responses were idiotic though.

tho I was hanging out w/ some friends last week and suddenly one of the people pointed out that we were all diff races, and then they suddenly said "this feels like the UN" and I didn't like that for some reason I dunno but I was stoned so I don't know

that is a super 1990s joke

right

i feel like someone makes it in a 90s movie. about ethnic tension in the Balkans, no less.

say Benneton ad, channel the 80s

"this feels like the UN" vs "United Colors of Benetton"
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I mean it was a single episode that had a limited number of speaking parts to begin with; if this was a season in I could understand the POC issues but like it's not shocking that an overprivileged white girl would hang out with other overprivileged white girls

godammit i wanted to make the Benetton joke

Let's all make it on 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZKszTyfubw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqTyBBit7NI

had never seen that commersh b4

nb this following rant might be totally challopsky or whatever but: the reason ppl think that ironic racism is okay to use is bc they don't really believe the sentiments that they're delivering. they're making a racist joke, but they don't really hate the group that they're making the joke about. but all kinds of racists have distance from the sentiments that they express. they tell jokes about other races that are formed by hyperbole that they don't actually agree with - they're just using it for comedic effect. or they don't hate ppl of other races, they just don't think they're as good, or as valued, or whatever. i mean, ironic racism is obv racism bc you're verbally demeaning another group of ppl to give yourself a chuckle. isn't that the entire basis of any racist joke ever, ironic or not?

multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose

Her pose is always the same because it is a design feature. It conveys the stereotype her character is built around. Since the series is too new to have progressed beyond the grossest of stereotypes into nuances, the pose is still unchanged. Simple, really.

― Aimless, Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:10 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh i know i know, i'm not playing clueless about the nature of image and design like s1ocki was saying. i just find it funny that they've honed in on that particular body language as shorthand for post-modern urban female angst or whatever, the same way a kid might shrug with his hands out in a "who me?" pose on the poster of a broad family comedy.

"ironic" racism is about being rich and white and perceiving yourself as cosmopolitan and smart so you get to say whatever you want, in implicit contradistinction to hillbillies toting confederate flags or whatever. it's not like it's less racist than what you brand non-ironic racism among white people who are poorer than you. it doesn't mean "ironic" racists don't mean what they're saying, viz. gavin mcinnes.

omg i read that girl's book once. arfin i mean. a compilation of her vice columns, because vice sent it to me unsolicited and i was moving house at the time and had put all my other books into boxes when this totally puerile book of dissolute long island hipster lifestyle porn showed up on the porch, so naturally i read the whole thing in one day while waiting for buses back and forth across town (this was a tricky move). i was sitting at a downtown portland bus stop reading it at about ten o clock on a friday night, surrounded by luggage, and this tipsy-seeming guy in a professorial jacket stopped talking to his date mid-pontification, asked to see what i was reading, took it from me, pointed to the cover (lol, god), expressed disgust to his date, and told me to read, i swear, "a little more euripides, and a little less... chloe sevigny." what a dick right.

i'm guessing there's like a million post thread about this on ilx already re Vice

lolllllllll xp

x-post - hahahaha

hmmm those casting call ads in AWire story are quite unsurprisingly eyerolling

medea is like the greek girls tho

I don't know if this has been talked about incessantly already, but I feel like the main problem with this show is the title. If it had been called, like Tumblr Users or Awkward Dorks or Lena & Pals or whatever, I don't think people would be wrestling with whether or not this show is inclusive of a broad range of experience.

a good rule of thumb is "ironic (x) is still (x)" xp

or insufficient as the new face of feminism (xpost)

makes sense for a whole range of things.

ironic eating is still eating
ironic dancing is still dancing
ironic singing is still singing
ironic racism is still racism

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ironic-porn-purchase-leads-to-unironic-ejaculation,1567/

Have you ever gone to a restaurant as a joke?

lol how did i miss that thread. i'm quoted at the top!

i can never remember who said this but there's a quote like: "whatever the intent, irony allows the unsayable to be said". eegh it's probably zizek.

haha. broken clock, twice a day.

ok guys you keep posting to this thread and it's free on this hbo mobile app thingy so I'm gonna check it out

what is the HBO mobile app thingy - can use with ipad?

i think that's the way it's meant to be watched!

who watches tv on tv anymore anyway
unless they're watching it ironically

there is one just called "HBO", grab that and not HBO Go or whatever because you have to be a subscriber for that one

kind of hate to see a show get indicted (somewhat) because of one jackass writer's tweets and past
OTOH, I really like seeing the jackass writer get raked over the coals

http://www.amoeba.com/whats-in-my-bag/index.html#/detail/2012-04-09_lena-dunham-and-lesley-arfin

man this dude she's getting it on with is a douchenozzle

Arfin has deeply tragic tattoos.

apparently that is better than being not douchey enough

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man, i just have to say, lena dunham is super-adorable to me. i am mad @ her for being friends with this idiot but look how great she seems.