New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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'James Bond' is always a pseudonym as much as 007; Craig is a relatively newly promoted agent who gets the Bond/007 identity as part of his line of work;

James Bond: [to the camera] This never happened to the other fellow.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahah. George's prime moment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, Felix Leiter is *still* the Outclassed CIA Guy.

More's the pity -- I didn't even realize that was Jeffrey Wright!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that guy is a chameleon. I've only seen a few of those, but Basquiat -->Belize-->Felix Leiter is a pretty damn good range. I've also seen Celebrity but don't remember his character.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

The more I look over the IMDB list the more I'm impressed with the range of actors they got in, even if the roles were at points thankless. Giancarlo Giannini as Mathis, Isaach de Bankole is Obanno (the African armed group leader), Jesper Christensen as Mr. White...not quite the ensemble group dynamic of From Russia With Love but still.

Mads Mikkelsen did pretty well as Le Chiffre precisely because of two factors in the script rather than his own pretty good performance: 1) no time wasted on his backstory, 2) carrying over from the book the fact that he's as much under severe pressure as 'in charge.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

I loved how fast his expression changed at the end of the torture scene when dude walked in with the gun.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

(by the way does anybody know enuf about sfx in modern films to offer some kind of explanation as to HOW IN THE HELL they got his eye to leak red Karo?)

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Bond actually has to work without having the entire plot of the movie (An evil villian has Something Bad and wants money, power, etc.) delivered to him at the office.

I think the last time they did something even close to that was The Living Daylights. Actually there's a series of threads you can run through all the movies that purport to be taking Bond 'back to its roots' pretty clearly -- moral ambiguity, no clarity about who is on what side at many points, and an initial unsureness about what the villain exactly wants (though this can be the case in the canonical classics as well, with Goldfinger being a prime example; Bond only finds out what Goldfinger's exact plan is with about half an hour to go). On Her Majesty's Secret Service *kinda* aims for that mix but the Blofeld stuff gets in the way (I still love that it's Kojak leading SPECTRE), but For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights both went this route, as does this one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've only seen a few of those, but Basquiat -->Belize-->Felix Leiter is a pretty damn good range.
I was about to correct you on Basquiat, until I looked at IMDB and GIS to double-check and THE LAWYER FROM SYRIANA WAS BASQUIAT? Yer shittin me!

milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

> (by the way does anybody know enuf about sfx in modern films to offer some kind of explanation as to HOW IN THE HELL they got his eye to leak red Karo?)

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

saw this tonight. tom is correct w/ most assessments.

1. loved the main title sequence, song was...disposable.

Say, when was the last non-disposable title song? The one wot Jarvis sang?

2. pacing in the 3rd act was FUCT. way too many postcard shorts. half an hour too long, too much meta-discussion, didn't get to where we needed to go.

3. we never found out what happened to the blonde chick(Le Chiffre's moll). Normally, whatever arm candy the bond villain has is either converted to Bond's side or dies by the last reel.

4. bond chase scenes always tend to end with the death of whoever he's chasing.

5. Daniel Craig will be a great bond, especially if they keep giving him good scripts.

6. the married chick from the first act uses my old phone: a sony ericcson t637.

7. product placement has been a part of Bond since Goldfinger or before. this time i really noticed the logos popping up in prominent parts of the frame(virgin airlines, louis vuitton, etc).

8. the part i didn't like was where the bad guys from the last part showed up. this could have been handled far better.

9. the poker sequence went far better than i had ever expected. i retract my earlier horror.

10. Le Chiffre at the table looked like McGoohan. The part when the italian guy has to say "Look! It's the Tell!" made me want to scratch out my eyeballs.

11. i hope the next one has Q and Moneypenny, and they keep Felix Leiter.

12. bond villain = cool boat. i found myself being more impressed by the effort to include the cool boat than the cool boat itself.

13. i want one of those "Military Intelligence" backgrounds for my PC

14. the stunts were great, and of an even better level than most brosnan moves. the jumpy jumpy bombmaker reminded me of one of jackie chan's guys.

15. modern times = even the bond chicks have raccoon eyeshadow

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

Bomb-maker dude was Sebastien Foucan, who was one of the guys who started the whole parkour / free running sport. And yeah, it was a great action sequence.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

16. i'm not nearly drunk enough

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

*GREAT* and very satisfying movie, but the retro-1997 Flash-player required title sequence was truly awful (even worse than the song) and, as I said before, Craig still looks like an ugly thug, but that's exactly what the movie was trying to say about the character I suppose (Clive Owen would have been even better). I think the NY Times said (in a fairly glowing review) something along the lines of, every age gets the Bond it deserves. Of course it's not just Craig's face, "The job is done and the bitch is dead" would sound merely humorously anachronistic if Connery was saying it in 'Goldfinger', but the line said in spyworld 2006 revels in Bond's ugly brutality.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

The discussion boards on IMDB have to be read to be believed, makes ILX seem like an oasis of peace and quiet.

I thought Craig was outstanding as Bond, a subtle, nuanced performance which touched at the inner turmoil of the character. Physically he was the part too, he's the only Bond who looks like he actually came from a military background.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

well i woke up thinkin about this movie (OK, i woke up thinkin about vesper)

the getting ready scene in the hotel bathroom, before the big game, may have been my favorite - vesper looking even more gorgeous without her makeup, preparing to fix her face in the mirror, and telling bond, via the mirror, after he's feigned dignified outrage that she's had the temerity to buy a dinner jacket FOR him - "there are dinner jackets and then there are dinner jackets - and this is the latter" and "i'd sized you up the moment i laid eyes on you" - phewEE! and capped with the luxuriously long take of bond trying it on, and looking at HIMself in the mirror, and loving what he sees (shades of the boy who did not come from money, learning how to "pass")

and the equally generous shot just after, of vesper looking at herself in the mirror with an unexplained weariness, trying to rise above her burgeoning interest in this thug, knowing more specifically than bond the way that it would all end badly

xpost: it is said that craig hit the gym for months for precisely that reason, that bond should look like he was fresh from his naval commander days

i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT although/because pointedly not, as has been mentioned in the classic bond villain mold: he is not humourless nor consumingly "evil", just a bad man in a bad world - his laughing-despite-himself in the torture scene, his reluctant admiration of bond's grit, was so fantastic

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha oh, also: vesper is a total GOTH HOTTIE!!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

the guy was a terrible dresser and mean to caterina murino = he deserved to die.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

"The job is done and the bitch is dead" would sound merely humorously anachronistic if Connery was saying it in 'Goldfinger', but the line said in spyworld 2006 revels in Bond's ugly brutality.

It's a paraphrase from the book's final line, FWIW:

"Yes, dammit, I said 'was.' The bitch is dead now."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh Pete - i didn't understand!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT

Well, I think he's unavoidably overshadowed by the focus on Craig's debut -- understandable for a lot of reasons (in comparison I think the villains in the next two will get greater attention by default). I'm not saying Mikkelsen did terribly; rather I think that the filmmakers had to make sure he ended up not rivalling Craig in terms of dominating the film, and the story and script helped there. He is exactly "just a bad man in a bad world" -- that's how the book had him and that's how the script carried him over, and the fact that Mikkelsen played him at that level is to his credit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition?

It was a bit jarring. Arguably though the whole idea of the exhibit was 'public' display, period. (I would have been much more surprised if there had been some sort of fight scene in there that involved knocking the figures down!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Who was the guy playing the chap who was trying to blow up the plane? I can't remember a character name to IMDB it.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Claudio Santamaria

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

thanks. looking him up there's only Besieged that I could remember him from. weird.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

The one wot Jarvis sang?

UH

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not even sure what I'm UHing more, the idea that that was a good Pulp song or the idea that the Bond franchise did not, actually, cut the song and use an equally terrible Sheryl Crow song instead. :\

Still both songs better than that Chris Cornell song. Jesus, who dusted him off?

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

That Chris Cornell song, Jesus H. I was imagining him singing "Rusty Cage" and "Black Hole Sun" all smoothed out during that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I recognized the Swiss banker guy as the driving dude from Run Lola Run, the one who comes to meet with the dad.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

They should get Ruben Studdard to do the next one

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/Music_Images/r-studdard.jpg
and he STRIKES!!!! (babadabaBUM!) LIKE THUUUUUUUNNNNNNNDAABAAAAAWWWWWWWLLLL

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

:-D

Clay Aiken can remake "All Time High" or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed it, Craig was good but 2 things: he talks in his boots and I completely missed at least 2 lines of dialogue - when a film moves that fast I don't want to be wondering what's been said.. ANNUNCIATE lad. and I agree the theme song was crap.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

he talks in his boots
He whats?

stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

deep/low voice...!

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

ANNUNCIATE lad

Ah right, the Feast of the Enunciation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Clay Aiken can remake "All Time High" or something.

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Pulp's cover of All Time High: ALSO TERRIBLE. What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

whatever, Bodyworlds is a freakin' travelling circus that's been making big $$$ everywhere on ticket sales. it's all just curious people coming to check it out (not that i have a problem w/that but jeez let's not get all huffy abt it)

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to say I had no trouble understanding Daniel Craig perfectly well.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

I think I missed one Craig line but otherwise perfectly understandable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

I always loved the weirdness in how "I Spy" ended up on the soundtrack to the first Mission: Impossible movie. Which is doubly ridiculous because now that I think about it that song's a PERFECT one to be sung from the point of view of Craig's Bond! (Seducing wives, loathing the upper class...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

They're like the Tigers in the World Series in this respect.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

NED, YOU ONLY JUST THOUGHT OF THAT??????????????????????

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU ANYMORE.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Uh? (I said *Craig's* Bond, not anyone else's. It certainly wouldn't the fuck be Pierce Goddamn Brosnan's!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

Haha, what I meant was it compliments the pre-titles sequence where Bond goes on his first kills. The title sequence itself I think is a pretty smart realignment of the franchise. The lack of willowy dancing girls neatly echoes the film itself, less playful and more business like.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion, but I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think that Connery's Bond didn't echo that sentiment quite frequently. There was no need to explicitly state the fact in Casino Royale, it was just something that came through. It's not the character's fault that some douchebags thought Pierce Brosnan was a good idea (I'm just going to go ahead and start by saying "for example, his parents").

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Roffle. (You're right about Connery, true.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)


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