GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

the whiteness of the cast bugs me a lot

lol that she says she will address it in the second season

i guess there was Joy Lin for a moment.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:40 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she knows photoshop

i actually have *thoughts* about this, about how nonwhite women end up not really counting as women according to a certain version of femininity, but they are probably obvious and off-topic at any rate.

xp lol

i feel like they could have a not white friend and that would be perfectly realistic, also they could not and that would be too, five white people eating dinner in an apartment in new york is certainly a situation ive encountered myself many times

it's not that a bunch of white people hanging out together is unrealistic it's that i want to see non-white people on the tv shows i watch.

the unbearable whiteness of being a GIRL

i wonder what she thinks abt that aspect, like if she thinks that the all whiteness is more honest or provocative or w/e, or it didnt occur to her maybe

it's not that a bunch of white people hanging out together is unrealistic it's that i want to see non-white people on the tv shows i watch.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:49 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure there are kinda two questions i guess, theres what you want to watch which is just like up to you, and then theres what does the all whiteness of this show in particular mean

Zoe Kravitz was already booked.

heh

it's not that a bunch of white people hanging out together is unrealistic it's that i want to see non-white people on the tv shows i watch.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:49 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well its also that its not unrealistic for them to have one or two (or three or four!) Friends of Color, like given the shows setting and milieu theres no real reason for there not to be non-white Folks present, and it makes the show/hannah/lena seem even more privileged and disconnected and what have you

the most recent whit stillman movie cast some non-whites in friend roles for the first time in a whit stillman movie, i think? and it made me think, he could have done this the whole time. on the other hand, the movie wasn't really about those characters in any way.

my upcoming memoir is entitled Friends of Color btw

theres no real reason for there not to be non-white Folks present, and it makes the show/hannah/lena seem even more privileged and disconnected and what have you

― max, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:52 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i wonder if thats the point or more a byproduct of irl - also maybe we will meet more of her friends

ALSO it annoys me because theres a pretty large (and growing?) set of non-white hipster/college-educated creative professional/whatever types who tend to get ignored in "young ppl in nyc" tv shows and movies, (and in ilx discourse!!) and i thought (hoped?) some of those stories could get told here! guess not tho

i think sometimes white directors/writers are worried about taking on those stories for fear they'll commit some essentializing blunder, but yeah, i wish more would take the plunge. they could just talk to some people of color. but also maybe what's going on with dunham is that at 25 she's a bit blinkered about that stuff.

There sure are a lot of boys on the Girls thread.

― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was a fair point, btw, and one adamrl also made iirc.

girls is kind of a provocative name to call ones show isnt it

idg why

That was an xpost

ALSO it annoys me because theres a pretty large (and growing?) set of non-white hipster/college-educated creative professional/whatever types who tend to get ignored in "young ppl in nyc" tv shows and movies, (and in ilx discourse!!) and i thought (hoped?) some of those stories could get told here! guess not tho

yeah i think if were trying to recreate GIRLS as a statistically accurate representation of its milieu than thered be at least a couple of nonwhite ppl on the show. i dont really think it means all that much tho esp given the racism of tv casting

going back a bit but i kinda liked her mom idk its a stretch to think she hates her?

the parents are my rooting interest in the show

well tbf the 'parents pay your rent + lives in brooklyn' demographic def skews white pretty hardcore ime

i mean, yes it's going to happen on ilx where a lot of dudes post but it leads to sort of strange blind spots, about, for example the representation of women + body image. i'm not mad @ anyone about it, nor was Erica, i presume, its just creates a discussion with an *interesting* quality.

tbf i know a lot of ilx women are just not that into the premise of this show, so.

otm

yeah i don't think the mom hates her, either. maybe a little bit at moments but everyone's mom hates them sometimes!

haha it is kinda funny that a bunch of dudes talking about this show end up getting in a fight about mom

if this show were called 'life and lols in brooklyn 2012' it would not be an issue that mostly guys are watching it but instead it was called 'girls' cause judd apatow suggested it

maybe girls just arent posting to this thread because they r bad at bittorrent

Not a lot of talk about women+body image, pro or con

well there was some tbf

i don't know if mostly guys are watching it? if that's true, it's not an issue. my sisters are both watching it--data points! i was mostly talking about the ilx discussion.

comments are not making me want to watch this show tbh

some, but it's not like all the dudes on the Girls thread are talking about it

i don't...i'm not trying to get in an argument. both comments about body image in this thread seemed a little tin-eared to me; understandable because men don't experience that stuff the way we do. i was just using that as an example because it stood out to me. really all i'm saying is this conversation would play out differently if a bunch of women were having it. didn't think that was that controversial.

tbcf this really isnt a 'brooklyn 2012' show

tbf i know a lot of ilx women are just not that into the premise of this show, so.

haha most of my friends are really not into this show, its weird, i have ~thoughts~ about it but its really that good atm so its hard to argue for it

what did you think re how our protagonists body image issues were portrayed in ep1 horseshoe, i was surprised abt the negative reaction itt, i was just kinda oh sure when i saw it, her self deprecation in the explanation of her tattoos and her boyfriends horrible if funny reaction was k tragic

lamp stop being so coy and just tell us what u think ffs

yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to make it an argument either, this just doesn't seem to be any weirder for dudes to talk about than Game of Thrones IMO.

haha i wasnt going to but this:

i think some of the ways she's shot eating food (the spaghetti with her parents + the cupcake in the bathtub immediately come to mind) and the sex scene were particularly degrading

was a... strange reaction to have, i think. like 'degrading' is not how i read this at all, i identified w/her quite a bit here, thought it was really funny and true, helped me 'get' the character and sympathize with her.

homie shes not saying its WEIRD

yeah that's pretty much how i feel. i like that thread in tiny furniture and in the pilot of girls--dunham's sharp about it. don't really get how it's evidence of a mean worldview on her part or a lack of "heart" as compared to louis c.k. it's evidence of a meanness in the world but dunham didn't create that meanness.

xxp

it's a little more notable, given that this show is about women's lives.

haha thanks max

both comments about body image in this thread seemed a little tin-eared to me

you mean mordy and mine? i was just reacting to him thinking it was unusual or off-putting and me feeling it was kind of consistent with the kind of observations a lot of fiction makes on the subject, for better or worse

i have spent many years on ilx having conversations with a bunch of dudes; obviously i am not saying dudes should not discuss stuff.

In a world in which Tao Lin and David Chang are the dominating forces...

yeah, al, i did mean mordy's and yours. yours only because i think dunham is doing more with her stuff on women and their bodies than your obligatory "one of these girls is bulimic" plot in a movie or whatever.

yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to make it an argument either, this just doesn't seem to be any weirder for dudes to talk about than Game of Thrones IMO.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:14 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

max otm, hs otm

In addition to what she said, it's not so much the fact that a lot of guys are talking about it that's weird for me it's the almost total lack of female interest/input. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. Just something that made me go hmmmmmm.

that is going to be the case on literally every thread on ilx because there are more guys here