2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

he is so incredibly thick.

Dangerously thick!

the last two posts in this thread have been nommed for understatement of the month awards

"I have carried out the most spectacular and sophisticated attack on Europe since World War II,"

Dickhead

“July 22, wasn’t about me. July 22 was a suicide attack. I wasn’t expecting to survive that day,” he said. “A narcissist would never have given his life for anyone or anything.”

Asked why he started crying in court on Monday, when prosecutors showed an anti-Muslim film that Breivik posted on YouTube before the attacks, he said: “I was thinking about Norway and Europe, which are ruled by politicians and journalists killing our country. I was thinking that my country is dying.”

Guy's not insane, he's stupid

he's both

Where can you place this guy in terms of diagnosis for mental illness though?

Honest question.

murderous sociopath?

Okay, he is a murderer and a sociopath. Does he show any sign of being 'not guilty by reasons of insanity'? The coverage on the news focused on the forensic psychiatrists overseeing the trial. I was thinking about whether this is a factor? I really don't know anything about this.

depends on whether you believe can personally kill 77 ppl for your wider political beliefs while being sane, i suppose

The most recent psychiatric evaluation at least called him "accountable", which apparently meant he wasn't "psychotic" at the time of the crime.

yeah, i'm happy calling him insane, but not legally insane. i.e., the nature of his crimes makes him de facto crazyperson in my book, but he's not a gibbering loon, not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

yeah I would think this is the sticking point, legally speaking. but I dunno anything about Norwegian criminal law/insanity pleas.

he's not a gibbering loon, not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

^^^ This is the main point, really; dude knew and understood the consequences of his actions (in fact, he was attempting to avoid them via the whole "suicide mission" angle) but decided to do this anyway.

i read that his *defense* team is arguing that he is sane - why would they want to do that?

dude's reasoning is that being deemed insane invalidates his political goals

sanity = martyrdom for the cause, by his reckoning

norwegian foibles mean insanity could be permanent whereas murder is capped at 21 yrs

wow no life imprisonment for mass murder?! that's ... insane

Yeah the max was like 20 iirc??

20 yrs, obv.

does that 20 years hold for even 77 deaths?

iirc yeah its 21 yrs tops lol legal systems based on treatment/redempion obv

Not this again.. he won't be let out, ever, no matter if he's deemed insane or not. Should be pretty clear by now.

(sorry, i missed the conversation the first time it went around, genuinely baffled at that number right now)

i read that the 21 years thing can be indefinitely extended though there wasn't any detail about the process for that - maybe for "capital crimes" everyone gets something like a parole board hearing?

the court could also sentence Breivik under a provision called "preventive detention," which also has a maximum of 21 years but can be prolonged in five year increments after that -- which means the court can detain Breivik indefinitely after his sentence if he is found to be a continued threat to the public.

there you have it, virtual life sentence

Maybe he'd rather be in a regular prison than in a mental hospital?

But with a chance of reversal every 5 years? It seems like that would never, ever happen, but...? Clearly he thinks it's preferable to being found unsane?

i can't imagine - given how civilized norway is - that you could judge someone *permanently* insane, i'm sure that's up for review too

are his defense team ultranationalist psychos too?

i don't know how likely he is to be deemed an ongoing danger to the public once that sentence is served.

insanity is subject to review but it's more likely to lead to an easy avenue to keeping him locked up permanently, based on what i've read

Well in 20 years he'd only be 53 - still capable of considerable mayhem. xp

don't think the review would be based on his physical abilities so much as his mental rehabilitation tho

That's true -though harder to predict. If he's still spouting fascist nonsense then no doubt they'll keep him locked up tight.

that system - essentially a conditional life sentence with many opportunities for parole - seems remarkably fair to me

iirc yeah its 21 yrs tops lol legal systems based on treatment/redempion obv

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:04 PM (16 minutes ago)

nice mix of reactionary smugness a factual inaccuracy here deems

ya i was quite happy with it tbh

kev otm, it's v sweet that he is tried & sentenced in a manner that's anathema to him, it reinforces the moral high-ground. not granting him special treatment & sticking to the same procedures as used w/ every mundane case undercuts his ridiculous sense of his own significance&impact & is mb a healthy bit of normalcy for norway as a whole too idk

yeah, i'm happy calling him insane, but not legally insane. i.e., the nature of his crimes makes him de facto crazyperson in my book, but he's not a gibbering loon, not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:47 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

why this guy and not manson?

i see manson as a "gibbering loon"

ok cool

i don't know how likely he is to be deemed an ongoing danger to the public once that sentence is served.

I'd expect a guy capable of murdering 77 people will always be deemed a danger to the public

i don't know how likely he is to be deemed an ongoing danger to the public once that sentence is served.

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:23 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

honestly i don't know that i've ever witnessed a murderer MORE likely to be a continuing danger to the public than this fucker

this is the kind of dude you hope is on heart meds and one day a prison guard "forgets" to fork them over

Prosecutors in Oslo are questioning Anders Behring Breivik about his contacts with militant nationalists as they seek to prove his far-right European network does not exist.

Breivik, who killed 77 people last July, gave few details but told the prosecutor not to ridicule him.

Hard not to, tbf

If you don't want to invite ridicule, you don't grow a nu-metal beard.

See, the thing is that the network kinda does exist -- he was definitely hooked into the Austrian scene, which the big middle right party like to pretend doesn't exist -- so I don't know exactly why the prosecution would belabor this point.

Possibly because of assertions he's been making like this:

he met a Serb nationalist in Liberia in 2001 who was one of the founding members of the Knights Templar

... aye, sure you did, son