Agreed. In fact, the thing that really perplexes me abt the books is how long he has delayed what one has to assume are the two key 'ice' and 'fire' events (Dany enters Westeros w/dragons, Winter finally comes w/white walkers crossing the wall).
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
he doesn't really know what to do with the dragons, basically
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
If he did not start the fkin series without a p solid idea of where he was ultimately headed with the dragons and the white walkers, I pity him.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
*with* not without, sorry
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
people seem to think dany, tyrion, and jon are gonna be the 3 dragon riders (this theory also assumes that jon is lyanna stark's son and that she died in childbirth like tyrion and dany's mothers. not sure how this is relevant but people like patterns i guess?)
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
that also requires Tyrion to be a Targaryen. I know there are theories but that would be kind of annoying
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if tyrion ends up being a targaryen or a dragon rider im giving up
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
i thought Snow was the son of Ned
― brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
oh god brownie dont embarrass yourself
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
what will GRR Martin come up with next i ask you
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
now i hope the show completely abandons the books i want new content and grrm is not providing it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
there's definitely a snow secret, the whole thing is ned brought him back from the wars and refused to talk about it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he's the son of an actual snowman
the jon-is-lyanna's-son thing is so tedious, grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-201001/6d62572fd000cfe319ff7b46bdc5836c.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
I think even the first book leaves big hints that Jon is not Ned's son, so I don't think it's retroactive.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i think that's one thing he was sure of all along
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
yr probably right but i much prefer the idea of ned coming back from the war and going "YES this is MY SON that i had via HAVING SEX with SOMEONE ELSE, deal with it", seems much more grim and northern
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
i either missed this or blotted it out of my mind because I can't bear the thought of lovely lysanna having a bastard.
*throws self in front of whitewalker*
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
ban brownie
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
i shall take my leave to Basilisk Point if anyone should enquire about my whereabouts
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
It's also completely, totally out of character for Ned "I am a blinding idiot when it comes to matters of honor" Stark, particularly when as far as I can remember he pretty much never acts like there's anything shameful or dishonorable about Jon's existence, even when Cat goes off on him in book 1.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but the reason he acts that way is that it is a carapace he has developed to cover the shame and guilt he feels over his bastard son
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
at least that is the case in my fanfic, a song of scones and lager
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
A Song Of Neeps And Olives
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
ned is a one dimensional patsy, intended to parody the type of fantasy mainstay he represents, thrust into the sacrificial fire as his creator incants 'SEE this is what would REALLY happen to a stubbornly honourable hero type", when all the while the creator merely parodies himself for attempting to attire fantasy in the velvet pant suit of reality
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
okay I don't know about you but velvet pant suits have nothing to do with my reality
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
Then you haven't lived.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
velvet pant suits are as smooth as arbor gold
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I had to give up velvet pant suits because I kept dropping my olives on them and the oil leaves funky stains.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
srsly five books in and no one has even rode a dragon yet smh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
you're an odd one
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
I just feel like, how much story time is even going to take place "in Winter" in the remaining 2200 pgs? Unless he does a time jump, which would be unlike him at this point.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
he must have used "ride the dragon" as a euphemism by now though.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
also there was hella dragon riding in A Dance of Dragons
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
serious coffee out my nose moment
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (Yesterday) Permalinkit's quite shocking alright but probably cos it was so built up by everyone I know who had read them, I wasn't really appalled. The scene in that book that had me gasping & clutching the pearls was Oberyn's death.
re: dragon riders - I heard Jon, Dany & Bran.
― gyac, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
i don't remember where they left this in the books, but...the hound's not really dead, right? he's with that guy who can't die and cat stark etc right?
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
also you guys i was thinking about it and if there's really one villain that will probably end up having been the worst of the many villainous villains on this show...it's varis right?
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:33 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
yes they have, get the hell out nub
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
nah, Varys is the only real hero of the piece
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
i would call sam a hero
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
eventually
I like Varys. Ramsey Bolton seems the most horrible to me.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think the dead mountain that rides who lurks in the basement of the red keep is a big enemy
― fka snush (remy bean), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say they could just cut out dorne completely but then you lose the Mountain vs Viper fight which is one of the top 5 moments in the series imo. i'd rather have that than the red wedding if i had to choose
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
same
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
i really like the dorne stuff
― Lamp, Thursday, 12 April 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
ya dorne stuff is great, really like doran martell and his whole thing with ariane where she accuses him of being useless & never making any choices or acting up or whatevs and then he takes her aside and tells her the truth, that he's actually been plotting all the while to get dorne & targaryens on that iron throne. sadly, fucking quentyn is useless as hell and fucks it up.
― Jibe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
that was a real bummer
― Number None, Thursday, 12 April 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link