nb: I didn't think Girls was funny, either, or I'd cut it a lot more slack. It read as painfully awkward melodrama to me more than comedy.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
you mean tiny furniture?
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
This is just off the top of my head, here’s what I would put in my start pack currently, if I was trying to make everybody feel the inside of my brain: I’d probably put Ariel, the Sylvia Plath book of poems, I’d put the new Sheila Heti novel, How Should a Person Be, I’d put Wallflower at the Orgy by Nora Ephron. Those would be my three books. I’d put Gilda Live, the documentary of Gilda directed by Mike Nichols, I’d put An Unmarried Woman, and I’d put in Clueless and then maybe like one Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings too: Seven Swans. Then I’m just gonna throw Betty Davis—Miles Davis’s wife Betty Davis, not the disco crazy nutbag singer—I’d put her cd in there. Right now, if I was like, I want you to feel my feelings, I’d hand you those things.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
er, yeah, because I was going to say that I'm giving Girls a shot because it might really be funny
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
surfin stevens and betty davis and gilda radner are faves of mine too, maybe I'M oh wait i fucking hate nora ephron
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i dont know man i think if "actual lives are at stake" is for an important characteristic of good art i dont think were ever going to agree about art period let alone an hbo show
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't say "actual lives are at stake," I said risk.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
conflict is importnat to narrative, what kind of protagonist do u have
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
give Girls til the end of season 1 to see if they resolve any conflicts with physical violence imo
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
what are we talking about then? is it that emotional/psychological 'risk' arent important enough?
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
a story can be seen as a mountain climbing your hero will have to overcome many obsitcles one is a huge rock in the way
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I laughed at the younger sister, the white cabinets, the explanation of fucking in a pipe.
I did pretty much hate all the dudes in the movie to a degree that bothered me.
― og (admrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
Emotional/psychological risk is pretty much every love story ever, so yes that's important.
The malaise of being young and privileged, though, doesn't cut it for me.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
the tools u are using to assess this art are too crude for the job
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
i dont know that being privileged is the source of dunhams 'malaise' though -- it inflects it in certain ways but shes not exactly sad *because* her parents are well-off
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
surely the source is Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
if only she were sad because OBAMA wouldn't let her buy more handguns
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
that would be more interesting tbh
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
In my mind, I see a link between the Dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir and Tiny Furniture (which is memoir-ish) - if you're 22-24, the odds of you having done anything worth writing a memoir or making a movie about are pretty slim.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
which is also a privilege thing because State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive aren't exactly getting $$$ to make films that mirror their real lives (those films would be just as dull as Tiny Furniture, most likely)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
how old or underprivileged would she have to be before the odds of her art being worthwhile were sufficient to engender interest
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
(i am just pretending u r not interested in this show for the sake of argument)
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
you can always make art that isn't suffocatingly autobiographical iirc
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like im losing the thread here
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
the thread wants to be free, max. don't try to control it.
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
'write abt what you know' important tip for making compelling art
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw i dont think tiny furniture is a memoir
i dont have a problem with young people writing memoirs
i imagine that a "State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive" as perceptive and funny as dunham could probably make a film as good as tiny furniture
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
some dude otm twice
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
what abt someone who dropped out of jr college tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
what is the dartmouth frat bro movie called? is it animal house?
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
i googled dartmouth frat bro and apparently its a real thing, i thought milo was trying to draw some weird false equivalency there with a made-up example
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://jezebel.com/5897558/dartmouth-frat-bros-bro-memoir-will-one-day-polarize-bros-everywhere
we talked about it on another thread? Dartmouth hazing whistleblower now writing memoir etc.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i dunno i dont really find the concept of a dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir galling
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
ha, I hadn't even seen that Jezebel thing. <3 the phrase frat bro
it's not galling but it's difficult to believe that many 22-year old who aren't war heroes or w/e have a compelling tale to tell unless you're also a frat bro
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
is that the guy who did the hazing piece in esquire or whatever? that made for some nauseating readingapparently bros like to puke on each others faces and genitals until they have no more tooth enamel
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
easier to just watch thishttp://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/TheSkullsPoster300.jpg
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
there was a time when i had not heard the term "vomlette" and i want that time back
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
that story sounds actually too compelling
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
even tho its not abt war and took place before a person was 22 which is generally just meaningless bullshit not worth mentioning
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
what if your under 22 but also a vampire
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
have to be a sexy vampire imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
still need that tooth enamel
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
it's more specifically about a paralysis women of a certain privilege experience wrt work, in part because they haven't been acculturated to valuing their own labor, taking making money as a goal, etc.
I weep for them.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 6, 2012 12:28 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
look i followed that by saying i understand it can be offputting. i also think this undervaluing of labor affects not-rich women fwiw, though they obviously have less freedom to go unemployed.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol i just love good lookin rich ppl tbh will ryde 4 them 4 all time
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max)
; )
― buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― max, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even know how anyone can follow this show bcuz these four white girls all look exactly the same
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 7 April 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
At least the Sex and the City gals lived a little first before talking about themselves!!
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Saturday, 7 April 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link