abortion classic or dud?

I seriously don't know what would have happened to me if I had got pregnant when I was a teenager. Getting beat up and thrown out of the house would be strong possibilities. Parental notification would be nice in a perfect world where everyone had functional family situations, but it is not a perfect world.

Look, he said "everyone." Was that unclear?

Dude how are you going to be facing the situation if there is no parental notification? You're not notified there's a situation! catch 22.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314970161.html?via=mr

This lady got my #1 in the last election, thanks largely to my having dealt with her quite a lot as part of my job. She's very bright, professional, sympathetic, a good public rep at local and higher level. I'm bummed and shocked to find out that she's a fucking nutcase.

I mean... it's not like she's factually incorrect re: the cause of unwanted pregnancies, but that position isn't really conducive to helpful public policy

the fact that she has looked at this modern social issue as a firstly/mainly theological thought exercise is blowin my fuckin mind, i voted for thomas aquinas joke's on me :?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/boundedtile/2012/0420/1224314970161_1.jpg?ts=1334933884

She's fashionably incorrect re: her chinbeard and chops.

drinking correlates highly with fornication, ime, maybe they should ban that

let's not give her any fuckin ideas hey

sorry irish joeks

p sure the entire 'debate' aound this issue is a irish joek tbh

guy who talks sense
obviously do not read the comments

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/05/why_i_perform_abortions_a_chri.html

A+ person

That guy is too logical and rational and compassionate for our shitty world

HERO

wanna print that shit and hand it out to everyone in the world (but mostly my abortion-leery medicos; lotta ppl that are "pro-choice" but that are kinda willing to cede ground on the late term abortion issue)

<3

Utter Classic. I will rep for my abortion and Feminist Women's Health Center in ATL any day. I don't want to belittle anyone else's differing experiences, but I just want to put out there that it is not necessarily traumatizing for the woman. Being pregnant was what traumatized me.

I don't buy the claim that women use it as a form of birth control, and definitely not in Georgia. It's expensive, not exactly easy or convenient, and is usually not covered by Medicaid. If anyone was doing that, it would be a wealthier, more insured demographic that isn't usually accused of that sort of thing. I do agree that some women are irresponsible about or ignore the issue of birth control, but that's not the same as saying, "Oh whatever, I'll just get an abortion if I get pregnant."

Not sure how parental notification is justifiable, as it carries a risk of violence/homelessness/other totally shitty circumstances for the woman. xpost

Oh yeah, and fuck our new fetal pain bill.

guy who talks sense
obviously do not read the comments

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/05/why_i_perform_abortions_a_chri.html

― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:41 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for this, what a clear thinker this guy is

Yes, that interview is awesome

concur, this guy rules & states the pro-choice position so so well - powerful voice to hear imo

didn't read the comments, and have decided that is the new way forward: "just don't ever read them."

hi5 idea for life

I really like when news anchors segue into the "follow us on Facebook/Twitter" pitch with "now we want to hear what you have to say." lol, no you fucking don't, have you read the stuff they said last time you said that

So true. A lot of papers now use Facebook login for comments, both for convenience and the idea it stops people from being anonymous dicks. They're only half right, in that people will gladly be dicks and sign their names.

there is a person is arguing dud!

http://checkmateprochoicers.tumblr.com

http://checkmateprochoicers.tumblr.com/aboutme

"Even though many girls who have abortions may be sluts, this blog is not about calling them sluts."

(via feministing)

this is just trolling really. abortion is legal. checkmate, assholes

Yeah, Amanda Marcotte tap-danced all over their pointy little heads yesterday: The *best* arguments of anti-choicers, put in one place so people can laugh at them

(Please keep all submissions, comments, and reblogs kind and Christ-like. Even though many girls who have abortions may be sluts, this blog is not about calling them sluts. It is about stopping the new holocaust!)

new board description

wild times in michigan:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120614/POLITICS02/206140467/1361/Lawmaker-barred-from-speaking-over--vagina--comment

What. The. Fuck.

JACKSON, Miss. — The phones buzzed over and over at Mississippi’s only abortion clinic on Monday. Yes, receptionists told the dozens of young women who called, they could still see a doctor about an unwanted pregnancy. But they would need to come soon.

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The clinic, the Jackson Women’s Health Organization, was facing another deadline.

The clinic was scheduled to be shut on Monday because it was not in compliance with a new state law that requires doctors who perform abortions to be obstetrician-gynecologists with admitting privileges at local hospitals. But on Sunday, a federal judge temporarily blocked enforcement pending a hearing in 11 days. Had the clinic been forced to close, Mississippi would have been the only state with no abortion clinic.

That would be cause for celebration for the anti-abortion activists who have gathered every day for years in front of the pink-walled clinic to sing hymns, recite Bible verses and try to dissuade women from having abortions.

“We already have a plan for the building,” said Ron Nederhoed, an anti-abortion protester and retired psychologist. “We’re going to turn it into a museum to honor the children who were killed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/mississippis-lone-abortion-clinic-given-temporary-reprieve-fields-rush-of-calls.html?hp

A depressing but true fact: every day of our lives we have to make our peace with a vast quantity of human suffering. Every day all over the world people are tortured, killed, enslaved, raped and otherwise made to come into harm's way. And the reality is that we have no real choice but to shut a lot of this out of our minds, otherwise we would go insane. And yet, in the midst of all of this, the thing that these anti-abortion activists are so hung-up on is the fate of tiny little conceptuses that don't even have nervous systems in the first weeks of their existence.

Even though it sounds like the concern of the MS law was more an anti-choice agenda than women's health, I still wouldn't want to have an abortion at a place where the docs don't have admitting privileges.

We are dealing with a similar law here, with similar consequences:

Knoxville’s two licensed clinics that offer surgical abortion, Knoxville Center for Reproductive Health (KCRH) and Volunteer Women’s Medical Clinic (VWMC), serve not just local women, who make up about a third of their patients, but virtually every county in East Tennessee and into Kentucky and Georgia. Chattanooga has no clinic, and more Hamilton County women visit Knoxville clinics than women from Blount or Sevier. Nearly one in 10 patients arrive from neighboring states.

At VWMC, Dr. Richard Manning is the primary physician, and he has opted not to restore his admitting privileges, which he relinquished years ago when he transitioned from full-time OB/GYN practice to the ambulatory surgery clinic. Dr. Manning is 69. As of Sunday, July 1 he can no longer perform abortions in Tennessee.

His colleague at KCRH, whose family requested we not use his name, applied for and received admitting privileges at University of Tennessee Medical Center. Days later he suffered a stroke, and two weeks ago he died. Another local doctor who worked at the clinic earlier in her career has stepped in temporarily, but she is unwilling to assume duties at either clinic permanently.

Even though it sounds like the concern of the MS law was more an anti-choice agenda than women's health, I still wouldn't want to have an abortion at a place where the docs don't have admitting privileges.

why

okay, "sounds like"=definitely IS

I guess that was actually a pretty stupid statement on my part. I know abortions are some of the safest procedures there are, but I looked for a place with admitting privileges for extra reassurance. However, no privileges is still a lot safer than no clinics, and not everyone has the benefit of being able to shop around. And I guess in the rare event something did go wrong, it's not like you couldn't get transferred to a hospital anyway.

i think the deal w/ Mississippi was that the doctors were coming from other states to staff the clinic. i would suspect they have admitting privileges in their own state. i guess MS doctors were afraid they'd be harassed in their homes if they were performing abortions, or perhaps they're all insane pro-lifers themselves.

i think "admitting privileges" is one of those things that can get its meaning twisted a bit in media coverage. many many docs no longer have (or want!) admitting privileges; the system just isn't structured that way anymore. APs (dont want to type that anymore) just mean that you can admit, and then follow, someone in the hospital. that is: someone seems ill during an office visit, you can admit them to the hospital directly, without being evaluated by the in-house team. that also means that you'll be rounding on them in the hospital and placing orders, etc. this is how medicine was done in Olde Tymes, but it's a pretty rare thing nowadays; busy outpatient docs just dont have the time to manage patients in clinic AND in the hospital.

but it has nothing to do with safety. someone not having APs doesn't mean they didn't qualify for them. the docs at my clinic have admitting privileges, but that's because it's a residency program that's associated with a hospital. the clinic staff docs take weekly turns on hospital duty so they don't have to round on their individual patients, uh, individually. but yr average community clinic isn't associated with a hospital at all, it wouldn't make sense. but they still have phones to call 911.

tl;dr

making abortions contingent on having a practitioner with "admitting privileges" is v clever concern-trolling by the right, since it calls into question an abortion doctor's credentials ("but he doesn't even have admitting privileges!") as well as making it seem as if they shit about women's health by making it seem like 'admitting privileges' are the only way a woman can get to a hospital. as if they wouldn't pass through the ED like every other jerk.

next phase: once doctors do have admitting privileges, make a short hospital stay mandatory so the doctor can only do one abortion, then has to go to the hospital to supervise

clever concern-trolling by the right, since it calls into question an abortion doctor's credentials

yeah i've worked for some attys on some med mal litigation and opposing counsel is always making a big deal about this in front of the jury and the fact and expert witness docs are like, ummm yeah not a bfd.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/world/americas/dominican-republic-abortion-teen/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

this is enraging

also, this is exactly where we are headed

that's unspeakable, and obviously there should be no such prohibition in the first place, but wtf at those hematologists - the law seems vague enough that the situation seems clearly "treat now, worry about defending yourself in court later"

also, this is exactly where we are headed

Yeah. It really makes concrete what the whole fight is about -- whether your body is your own, or whether you lose control of it as soon as a sperm wanders into an egg somewhere inside.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/americas/dominican-republic-abortion/index.html

tragic follow-up

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/todd-akin-controversy-may-hurt-republican-chances.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Mr. Romney’s views align with that of the Mormon Church, which opposes abortion except in cases of rape and incest or when the life of the woman is in danger. He has said he is personally opposed to abortion; as a Mormon bishop in the 1980s he attempted to talk a congregant out of terminating a pregnancy after doctors advised her to do so because of a potentially lethal blood clot.

this view has come up elsewhere lately too for obvious reasons. is the line of thinking, for a pro-life / abortion-is-murder person, supposed to be that you would definitely be killing the baby, but MAYBE the mother might still live, so the mother is supposed to chance it (or both are supposed to chance it), as being the most moral course of action?

Oh my god:

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-law-arizona-states-pregnancy-begins-two-weeks-before-conception

the fucking balls on these ppl

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