abortion classic or dud?

Just saying that with abortion, it usually comes down to one way or another with no space in between.

You didn't say that Planned Parenthood was "one way!" While there are often opinions attached, they're a service organization and attempt to remain somewhat agnostic about the services they provide.

I mean, you wouldn't say "Well, with sexually transmitted infections, people are usually one way or the other with no space in-between"

PP does what is legal and lobbies to
a) keep what they do in their practice legal
b) expand reproductive health funding, outreach, and education

You know, when they aren't busy getting firebombed.

For what it's worth, PP has refused to do abortions in a number of cases where abusive husbands, parents, or other controlling parties have shown up demanding that their child/wife/etc be given abortion services. This isn't the most common case, thankfully, but according to a friends who have worked there, it does happen.

you can spell judgment w/ the e or without

― iatee, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:08 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

DIE

it makes more sense w/ an e

why would we want to make it more confusing for people

PP doesn't believe in any abortion restriction and have been active in the courts on any abortion restrictions. It's pretty black and white to them.

I don't think they are agnostic about that particular service at all.

On the weekends they get together and eat the babies they murder. It's true.

For the record, I would have taken Tucker Max's money.

I wonder if Hitler gave to charity.

how do you feel about abortion, don?

the bad PR has, on some level, a monetary value, and it wouldn't be worth 500k

I love abortion but am FOR parental notification. I wonder if PP will send back my donation of $50?

if you become a public figure and do things that would look bad for pp's image they would probably be willing to send back your $50

fwiw, PP also strongly counsels people on how to use birth control, will pretty much give you ways of getting pregnant according to your financial need, and are pretty unambiguous about this. so yeah, they are firmly in the "black and white" of allowing access to it, but they're also some of the strongest believers in preventative measures

also, they'll gladly help you if you're pregnant or want to know about fertility, but psssh who cares right

give you ways of NOT getting pregnant I meant

oh crap I spoiled the game, PP really just wants to give you lots of ways to get pregnant so they can do more abortions

will pretty much give you ways of getting pregnant according to your financial need

this is a service i provide fyi

They also advise minors to notify their guardians in the case of an abortion. PP just fights it from becoming a law.

Yup. Because sometimes... those guardians are the fathers.

uuuugh

"you should tell your parents what you are about to do before shooting them both and returning here for your abortion"

the other thing I kept hearing about was a few immigrant communities that were for the most part well-meaning but were seriously not integrating into midwest norms. you know, like continuing to send your female children to school past elementary and not marrying them off at age 12 or just knocking them up at age 13

Yup. Because sometimes... those guardians are the fathers.

^^^^ this. seriously, if a teen doesn't want to tell her family she's having an abortion there's probably a damn good reason.

not to minimize the point (which is very valid and not really one I'd considered before) but I'm pretty sure that there are reasons why a teenage girl might not want to tell her parents she's pregnant besides her father being the father

I would be OK with parental notification laws if every single one was hand-delivered by

http://www.mrmedia.com/uploaded_images/chris_hansen.gif

Many (most?) teen girls don't want to tell their parents much of anything.

Everyone's against parental notification until they are actually facing the situation with their own daughter.

I seriously don't know what would have happened to me if I had got pregnant when I was a teenager. Getting beat up and thrown out of the house would be strong possibilities. Parental notification would be nice in a perfect world where everyone had functional family situations, but it is not a perfect world.

Look, he said "everyone." Was that unclear?

Dude how are you going to be facing the situation if there is no parental notification? You're not notified there's a situation! catch 22.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314970161.html?via=mr

This lady got my #1 in the last election, thanks largely to my having dealt with her quite a lot as part of my job. She's very bright, professional, sympathetic, a good public rep at local and higher level. I'm bummed and shocked to find out that she's a fucking nutcase.

I mean... it's not like she's factually incorrect re: the cause of unwanted pregnancies, but that position isn't really conducive to helpful public policy

the fact that she has looked at this modern social issue as a firstly/mainly theological thought exercise is blowin my fuckin mind, i voted for thomas aquinas joke's on me :?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/boundedtile/2012/0420/1224314970161_1.jpg?ts=1334933884

She's fashionably incorrect re: her chinbeard and chops.

drinking correlates highly with fornication, ime, maybe they should ban that

let's not give her any fuckin ideas hey

sorry irish joeks

p sure the entire 'debate' aound this issue is a irish joek tbh

guy who talks sense
obviously do not read the comments

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/05/why_i_perform_abortions_a_chri.html

A+ person

That guy is too logical and rational and compassionate for our shitty world

HERO

wanna print that shit and hand it out to everyone in the world (but mostly my abortion-leery medicos; lotta ppl that are "pro-choice" but that are kinda willing to cede ground on the late term abortion issue)

<3

Utter Classic. I will rep for my abortion and Feminist Women's Health Center in ATL any day. I don't want to belittle anyone else's differing experiences, but I just want to put out there that it is not necessarily traumatizing for the woman. Being pregnant was what traumatized me.

I don't buy the claim that women use it as a form of birth control, and definitely not in Georgia. It's expensive, not exactly easy or convenient, and is usually not covered by Medicaid. If anyone was doing that, it would be a wealthier, more insured demographic that isn't usually accused of that sort of thing. I do agree that some women are irresponsible about or ignore the issue of birth control, but that's not the same as saying, "Oh whatever, I'll just get an abortion if I get pregnant."

Not sure how parental notification is justifiable, as it carries a risk of violence/homelessness/other totally shitty circumstances for the woman. xpost

Oh yeah, and fuck our new fetal pain bill.

guy who talks sense
obviously do not read the comments

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/05/why_i_perform_abortions_a_chri.html

― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:41 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for this, what a clear thinker this guy is

Yes, that interview is awesome

concur, this guy rules & states the pro-choice position so so well - powerful voice to hear imo

didn't read the comments, and have decided that is the new way forward: "just don't ever read them."