abortion classic or dud?

Never said it was, didn't imply it either. Just saying that with abortion, it usually comes down to one way or another with no space in between.

Are there some charitable orgs that don't accept anonymous donations?

well, if you mean the two sides are "no abortions, ever" and "abortions can happen" then yeah it's pretty black and white, but that kind of ignores the fact that there are a lot of opinions in that range

that guy holiday is a straight-up liar, wouldnt trust anything he says/his version of events

no one has talked about tucker max in like 4 years and now all of a sudden hes on the front page of jezebel and salon and stuff

well dandy don straw men aren't much noted for intellectual depth

if tucker max gives you $500k the world is going to know

you can spell judgment w/ the e or without

― iatee, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:08 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not if u are a real american

jez hed should read tucker max's successful campaign to use planned parenthood for publicity

well, if you mean the two sides are "no abortions, ever" and "abortions can happen" then yeah it's pretty black and white, but that kind of ignores the fact that there are a lot of opinions in that range

So PP advocates any opinions any opinions that restrict abortion on demand? Honestly, I don't know the answer to that.

haha this sentence from his publicist's roman is great:

As long as I’ve known Tucker—a card-carrying member of the University of Chicago School of Economics who also has a law degree from Duke—he has been pro-choice.

chicago econ AND duke law? there's no way he's an asshole!

haha

PP does what is legal and lobbies to
a) keep what they do in their practice legal
b) expand reproductive health funding, outreach, and education

As an organization, they're attempting to protect their remit?

Just saying that with abortion, it usually comes down to one way or another with no space in between.

You didn't say that Planned Parenthood was "one way!" While there are often opinions attached, they're a service organization and attempt to remain somewhat agnostic about the services they provide.

I mean, you wouldn't say "Well, with sexually transmitted infections, people are usually one way or the other with no space in-between"

PP does what is legal and lobbies to
a) keep what they do in their practice legal
b) expand reproductive health funding, outreach, and education

You know, when they aren't busy getting firebombed.

For what it's worth, PP has refused to do abortions in a number of cases where abusive husbands, parents, or other controlling parties have shown up demanding that their child/wife/etc be given abortion services. This isn't the most common case, thankfully, but according to a friends who have worked there, it does happen.

you can spell judgment w/ the e or without

― iatee, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:08 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

DIE

it makes more sense w/ an e

why would we want to make it more confusing for people

PP doesn't believe in any abortion restriction and have been active in the courts on any abortion restrictions. It's pretty black and white to them.

I don't think they are agnostic about that particular service at all.

On the weekends they get together and eat the babies they murder. It's true.

For the record, I would have taken Tucker Max's money.

I wonder if Hitler gave to charity.

how do you feel about abortion, don?

the bad PR has, on some level, a monetary value, and it wouldn't be worth 500k

I love abortion but am FOR parental notification. I wonder if PP will send back my donation of $50?

if you become a public figure and do things that would look bad for pp's image they would probably be willing to send back your $50

fwiw, PP also strongly counsels people on how to use birth control, will pretty much give you ways of getting pregnant according to your financial need, and are pretty unambiguous about this. so yeah, they are firmly in the "black and white" of allowing access to it, but they're also some of the strongest believers in preventative measures

also, they'll gladly help you if you're pregnant or want to know about fertility, but psssh who cares right

give you ways of NOT getting pregnant I meant

oh crap I spoiled the game, PP really just wants to give you lots of ways to get pregnant so they can do more abortions

will pretty much give you ways of getting pregnant according to your financial need

this is a service i provide fyi

They also advise minors to notify their guardians in the case of an abortion. PP just fights it from becoming a law.

Yup. Because sometimes... those guardians are the fathers.

uuuugh

"you should tell your parents what you are about to do before shooting them both and returning here for your abortion"

the other thing I kept hearing about was a few immigrant communities that were for the most part well-meaning but were seriously not integrating into midwest norms. you know, like continuing to send your female children to school past elementary and not marrying them off at age 12 or just knocking them up at age 13

Yup. Because sometimes... those guardians are the fathers.

^^^^ this. seriously, if a teen doesn't want to tell her family she's having an abortion there's probably a damn good reason.

not to minimize the point (which is very valid and not really one I'd considered before) but I'm pretty sure that there are reasons why a teenage girl might not want to tell her parents she's pregnant besides her father being the father

I would be OK with parental notification laws if every single one was hand-delivered by

http://www.mrmedia.com/uploaded_images/chris_hansen.gif

Many (most?) teen girls don't want to tell their parents much of anything.

Everyone's against parental notification until they are actually facing the situation with their own daughter.

I seriously don't know what would have happened to me if I had got pregnant when I was a teenager. Getting beat up and thrown out of the house would be strong possibilities. Parental notification would be nice in a perfect world where everyone had functional family situations, but it is not a perfect world.

Look, he said "everyone." Was that unclear?

Dude how are you going to be facing the situation if there is no parental notification? You're not notified there's a situation! catch 22.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314970161.html?via=mr

This lady got my #1 in the last election, thanks largely to my having dealt with her quite a lot as part of my job. She's very bright, professional, sympathetic, a good public rep at local and higher level. I'm bummed and shocked to find out that she's a fucking nutcase.

I mean... it's not like she's factually incorrect re: the cause of unwanted pregnancies, but that position isn't really conducive to helpful public policy

the fact that she has looked at this modern social issue as a firstly/mainly theological thought exercise is blowin my fuckin mind, i voted for thomas aquinas joke's on me :?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/boundedtile/2012/0420/1224314970161_1.jpg?ts=1334933884

She's fashionably incorrect re: her chinbeard and chops.

drinking correlates highly with fornication, ime, maybe they should ban that

let's not give her any fuckin ideas hey

sorry irish joeks