2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

except the precedent of 42 white men. Don't underestimate it.

how many were taller than him?

is there something wrong with McCain's hands? He seems to do the Bob-Dole-Grips-A-Pen thing a lot.

I'm not positive, Shakey, but I think his hand and arm problems are a result of his time as a POW.

Yes, broke his arms when his plane crashed just before he was taken prisoner. Can't raise his arms above his head anymore.

Oh, but maybe that's how he voted for the war?

"Hands up everyone who doesn't want to invade Iraq?"

(it's pretty incredible that they have the picture next to this by the way)

It is. You're going to see those pictures blasted across the nation through the GE, I think, to underscore the point: WAR HERO.

And he is.

albeit in a war that had zip to do with "fighting for America."

"remember that last pointless war that wasted thousands of American lives and billions of dollars? no, the other one..."

Yes, Dr. M, in spite of that.

Oy vey. More of this to come all through November, I'm sure.

I respect the hell out of McCain. But would never vote for him, ever.

He also compared Obama to the founder of Islam, remarking that both had a white mother and black father, according to the Associated Press.

im pretty sure farrakhan was talking about the founder of the NATION of islam

but... Obama already "denounced and rejected" Farrakhan on nat'l television just last night.

(Also, Farrakhan not cool obviously but CIA DID push crack into the inner cities. fact)

obama aint lying that hes got extensive jewish support in IL

I respect McCain except for all the crooked shit he pulls/pulled-- keating, the loan collateral, shady deals for companies his wife is on the board of, cozy with lobbyists, etc

I used to respect him but I snapped out of it in the last few years of watching him kiss bush's ass

I respect the fact he could have gone home from 'Nam right after he was captured, but refused to do so unless the POWs who were captured before him. I also said I wouldn't vote for him, partially for the reasons you just listed.

I actually have cast a vote for mccain .... 2000 gop primary in virginia (open primary, you can jump in on either side .... thought it would be worth it to try and derail bush. didn't happen)

I used to respect him but I snapped out of it in the last few years of watching him kiss bush's ass.

I've lost a lot of respect for him over this. But that doesn't negate the tremendous respect I have for him from his experience in Vietnam.

I just disagree with him on many key policy issues and I wouldn't vote for him.

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/508196.html

^^^^^on obama's improved debate performance

Nicely put, this. ( "By threatening to throw the kitchen sink at Obama, the Clinton campaign simply confirmed the fact that they might be going down the drain. // Beating on the press is the lamest thing you can do. It is only because of the utter open-mindedness of the press that Hillary can lose 11 contests in a row and still be treated as a contender." )

I don't see why we should respect him MORE because he served in Vietnam, Daniel. The dastardly things he's committed as a senator aren't mitigated by his military service.

I obviously don't disrespect his war service, I just stopped kidding myself that as a politician he was any more than a marginal improvement over whatever typical gop hack you wanna name (xposts)

I didn't mean to say otherwise, Alfred. And you can look at that in reverse: The dastardly things McCain's done as a Senator don't mitigate his military service.

I'm sorry. Guess I reflexively gag when a hack extols someone as an "American hero."

Did you see the Wiki picture of him, being fished out of the water in Vietnam, about to be taken as a POW? I don't like McCain, but he deserves tremendous respect for what he went through.

Guess I reflexively gag when a hack extols someone as an "American hero."

Haha. It just dawned on me that I'm the hack. True enough, I guess.

to actually serve in vietnam, become a POW, refuse to denounce any part of it, and then blame anti-war protesters for "sabotaging" the effort - i dont respect that

I could understand it though

I'm a hack too. I respect what he did in Nam. He could have gone home, but instead chose to stay in a box for 5.5 years. Folks around here don't do anything more heroic than refresh their browsers every half hour.

Is your finger getting numb on that mouse, Bill?

Haha. It just dawned on me that I'm the hack. True enough, I guess.

I don't think you've used "American heor" in the Hannity sense of the words, Daniel, so you're in the clear.

American HORE

instead chose to stay in a box for 5.5 years.

lolz.

"Is your finger getting numb on that mouse, Bill?"

I am definitely in that category, yes. I'm about as heroic as a ham sandwich. BTW, I'm not into the hannity shit either, in fact, I hate that fucking guy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Vietcapturejm01.jpg

Am I living in a box?
Am I living in a cardboard box?

i have to admit id never seen this before & its pretty bad ass:

McCain faced two experienced state legislators in the Republican nomination process, and as a newcomer to the state was hit with repeated charges of being a carpetbagger. Finally at a candidates forum he gave a famous refutation to a voter making the charge:

"Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

pwn3d

ohsnap.gif!

Oh now that is nicely played.

Suzy's mom to endorse Obama instead of "old, angry fucker." Film at 11.

Suzy's mom was calling McCain the old, angry fucker for once.

no one says listen pal anymore

...actually they do too, IN SCOTLAND.

I'm a hack too. I respect what he did in Nam. He could have gone home, but instead chose to stay in a box for 5.5 years. Folks around here don't do anything more heroic than refresh their browsers every half hour.

-- Bill Magill, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 21:06 (31 minutes ago) Link

But why do you respect him for that? Why is this particularly heroic? If he indeed could have gone home, then isn't it just plain stupid to stay there?

I just don't get the heroism-card that's being played out. A card from a terrible, useless war. I mean, I get it, but I don't get it...

*sigh*

i think some people might call it heroic because the act showed solidarity with the other prisoners who were still there?

(i could be wrong -- isn't that what happened though?)

Basically, that type of decision is difficult to comprehend by today's standards where the number one virtue preached by our society is "get yours".

Who cares is he's a "hero" or not? I just said that he deserves tremendous respect for what he went through during his military service. I can't see how that's a controversial point. (n.1)

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(n.1) And I'm not talking about what Bill mentioned (the 5.5 years). My comment is based on his fighting in a war and being a POW.

@Mark, put that way, I can understand it, sure, on the point of solidarity.
I think pacifism blocked my view on this one.

"(i could be wrong -- isn't that what happened though?)"

Yes.

"If he indeed could have gone home, then isn't it just plain stupid to stay there?"

I'd like to think I would have made the same decision he did.