2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Give it up Hillary

haha McCain is ahead on the economy. that'll change fast in a GE w/ Obama.

so will the war issue

i can't really imagine mccain being ahead on any issues except nat'l security once the GE gets rolling.

McCain can't keep from sticking his foot in his mouth about nat'l security - he's already done it TWICE! - and Obama will nail him on it. He voted for a stupid war, and continues to say it was a good idea. He hasn't caught Bin Laden. He, quite despicably, caved in on torturing detainees. McCain's got nothing.

hey look we killed some Al Qaeda people in Pakistan, just like Obama was talking about

health care is a pretty stark division between the parties too

I don't know the ins and outs of mccain's position but I imagine it'll be something like "it's socialism" or "we can't afford it" .... leaving him as simply being "against change" (and by now I think most ppl want the health system changed) as Obama (or Hillary) talks about "here's how we get this done"

i was a little disappointed to hear obama refer to the assassinated al-qaaeda leader as their third in command - lol most dangerous job in the world

McCain's got nothing

except the precedent of 42 white men. Don't underestimate it.

I meant nothing in regards to nat'l security. Obviously he's got the Great White Patriarchy vote sewed up.

McCain doesn't want to be the next Bush

except the precedent of 42 white men. Don't underestimate it.

how many were taller than him?

is there something wrong with McCain's hands? He seems to do the Bob-Dole-Grips-A-Pen thing a lot.

I'm not positive, Shakey, but I think his hand and arm problems are a result of his time as a POW.

Yes, broke his arms when his plane crashed just before he was taken prisoner. Can't raise his arms above his head anymore.

Oh, but maybe that's how he voted for the war?

"Hands up everyone who doesn't want to invade Iraq?"

(it's pretty incredible that they have the picture next to this by the way)

It is. You're going to see those pictures blasted across the nation through the GE, I think, to underscore the point: WAR HERO.

And he is.

albeit in a war that had zip to do with "fighting for America."

"remember that last pointless war that wasted thousands of American lives and billions of dollars? no, the other one..."

Yes, Dr. M, in spite of that.

Oy vey. More of this to come all through November, I'm sure.

I respect the hell out of McCain. But would never vote for him, ever.

He also compared Obama to the founder of Islam, remarking that both had a white mother and black father, according to the Associated Press.

im pretty sure farrakhan was talking about the founder of the NATION of islam

but... Obama already "denounced and rejected" Farrakhan on nat'l television just last night.

(Also, Farrakhan not cool obviously but CIA DID push crack into the inner cities. fact)

obama aint lying that hes got extensive jewish support in IL

I respect McCain except for all the crooked shit he pulls/pulled-- keating, the loan collateral, shady deals for companies his wife is on the board of, cozy with lobbyists, etc

I used to respect him but I snapped out of it in the last few years of watching him kiss bush's ass

I respect the fact he could have gone home from 'Nam right after he was captured, but refused to do so unless the POWs who were captured before him. I also said I wouldn't vote for him, partially for the reasons you just listed.

I actually have cast a vote for mccain .... 2000 gop primary in virginia (open primary, you can jump in on either side .... thought it would be worth it to try and derail bush. didn't happen)

I used to respect him but I snapped out of it in the last few years of watching him kiss bush's ass.

I've lost a lot of respect for him over this. But that doesn't negate the tremendous respect I have for him from his experience in Vietnam.

I just disagree with him on many key policy issues and I wouldn't vote for him.

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/508196.html

^^^^^on obama's improved debate performance

Nicely put, this. ( "By threatening to throw the kitchen sink at Obama, the Clinton campaign simply confirmed the fact that they might be going down the drain. // Beating on the press is the lamest thing you can do. It is only because of the utter open-mindedness of the press that Hillary can lose 11 contests in a row and still be treated as a contender." )

I don't see why we should respect him MORE because he served in Vietnam, Daniel. The dastardly things he's committed as a senator aren't mitigated by his military service.

I obviously don't disrespect his war service, I just stopped kidding myself that as a politician he was any more than a marginal improvement over whatever typical gop hack you wanna name (xposts)

I didn't mean to say otherwise, Alfred. And you can look at that in reverse: The dastardly things McCain's done as a Senator don't mitigate his military service.

I'm sorry. Guess I reflexively gag when a hack extols someone as an "American hero."

Did you see the Wiki picture of him, being fished out of the water in Vietnam, about to be taken as a POW? I don't like McCain, but he deserves tremendous respect for what he went through.

Guess I reflexively gag when a hack extols someone as an "American hero."

Haha. It just dawned on me that I'm the hack. True enough, I guess.

to actually serve in vietnam, become a POW, refuse to denounce any part of it, and then blame anti-war protesters for "sabotaging" the effort - i dont respect that

I could understand it though

I'm a hack too. I respect what he did in Nam. He could have gone home, but instead chose to stay in a box for 5.5 years. Folks around here don't do anything more heroic than refresh their browsers every half hour.

Is your finger getting numb on that mouse, Bill?

Haha. It just dawned on me that I'm the hack. True enough, I guess.

I don't think you've used "American heor" in the Hannity sense of the words, Daniel, so you're in the clear.

American HORE

instead chose to stay in a box for 5.5 years.

lolz.

"Is your finger getting numb on that mouse, Bill?"

I am definitely in that category, yes. I'm about as heroic as a ham sandwich. BTW, I'm not into the hannity shit either, in fact, I hate that fucking guy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Vietcapturejm01.jpg

Am I living in a box?
Am I living in a cardboard box?

i have to admit id never seen this before & its pretty bad ass:

McCain faced two experienced state legislators in the Republican nomination process, and as a newcomer to the state was hit with repeated charges of being a carpetbagger. Finally at a candidates forum he gave a famous refutation to a voter making the charge:

"Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

pwn3d

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