'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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Wait - was there actually an "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in the background after the coffee shop explosion? I was so immersed in the flick that I didn't even notice, if that was the case!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

there hasn't been a movie with such unanimous ILX praise since???

Harold & Kumar

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Children Of Men is good, but its no Harold & Kumar.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Also: Bring It On

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

every movie...is about "today."

Return of the King is about today? Van Wilder 2?

We can get into pissing contests about anything, it's in the Mission Statement.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

what time period is van wilder 2 more about?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

1978, the year Animal House made a shitload of $$$?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Wait - was there actually an "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in the background after the coffee shop explosion?

There was. As someone who's starting to deal with hearing loss issues, I was thinking "oh fuck, Clive, I feel ya, man."

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, the more I think about it, Children of Men is both nativity and passion play.

The Passion is about the suffering of the Son of Man, and how essential that suffering was as a part of a permanent sacrifice on the part of God. Children of Men is about the suffering of Man, and therefore redemption is found not in sacrificing the child of the nativity but in sacrificing oneself so that child may live.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

related to Theo as Rick in Casablanca (complete with letters of transit)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Fleischhutliebe is my hero.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds like the beginning of a college essay, Fleischhutliebe (no snark intended).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Rick/Theo comparison is a clever one - they both start from a point of weary neutrality, become embroiled in events for financial/romantic reasons, end up passionately invested in The Cause. Theo is quicker to turn to the side of the angels when he realises what's at stake, though.

― chap (chap), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Alas, no one shot Ingrid Bergman in the throat.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see why it's so implausible that an organization concerned about curing an infertility problem would name one of their vessels "Tomorrow"...?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone else find the film being overwhelmingly about today much more than Brazil was about 1985 or Blade Runner about 1982

Let's not go fucking with the classics. I don't remember 1982 OR 1985 very well, but it seems that both of those movies do an amazing job of retrofitting the future (if you will). Maybe that's for another thread.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's not like the boat's name is a big reveal at the end of the movie either... you've heard it said at least 5 times when you finally see it (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see why it's so implausible that an organization concerned about curing an infertility problem would name one of their vessels "Tomorrow"...?

Ditto.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was a movie about having children. Period.

I do see what you mean, in that it's a movie about having a future beyond yourself, however intangible. Having children is how most people do that. Maybe all people.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www3.telus.net/st_simons/anniemusical.jpg

TAMARRAH, TAMARRAH, I'LL GIVE BIRTH TO YA TAMARRAH,
YOU'RE JUST A FLOATING BUOY AWAAAAAYY!!!!!

(sorry)

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see why it's so implausible that an organization concerned about curing an infertility problem would name one of their vessels "Tomorrow"...?

Yeah, I agree. What's the problem. That's exactly the sort of thing I'd expect.

But it would have been awesome if they came in this instead:

http://www.aztlan.net/oiltank.jpg

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Disorder:

I agree with you, re: Brazil. Like CoM, Brazil is/was set in an exaggerated version of the present, enabling the film to function as fairly direct sociopolitical commentary. I think this is much less true of Blade Runner, but again, that's all kinda OT here.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) No one should come in Condelezza Rice.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

OOPSIE...

http://www.aztlan.net/ricec.jpg

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

It's a movie about having children the way Wages of Fear is about nitroglycerine.

Jesus, I didn't say TOMORROW was implausible; it disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness. (As for the dialogue mentions, I've either forgotten them or they were drowned out by the Murmuring Couple Near Me who wouldn't shut the fuck up.)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie) struck me as much more repetitive last time (also more like a futuristic 1948), certainly no classic; I like Blade Runner but not cultishly.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan no one is fucking with Brazil or Blade Runner, they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does. DO you agree or disagree?

Also, I find your assertion that all people have children somewhat suspect.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

All cats are grey.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does

Mayyybe.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie)

ever heard of a little film called 12 monkeys?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

Yeah, it's the fact that I was looking for a ship named "Tomorrow" as described earlier in the movie that made the name just a little more mundane and therefore not as overstated as it would have been coming at me from out of the blue.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it came at me outta the blue; packed theaters are truly becoming intolerable, and I am gonna tell the next TV-room-comfy idiots who talk to fuck off straightaway instead of shushing (which works for about 2 minutes).

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

xpost

little is right, cutty

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

you are a little man if you do not love 12 monkeys

funny, all my favorite films are in this thread

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's great movie)

fixed

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

What's to say really? Shiny happy veneer cracks momentarily on an aristocrat, reveals maggots underneath, film at 11.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

what I mostly remember from 12 Monkeys is Pitt's ass, Frank Gorshin, and wishing I was watching La Jetee.

The birth scene was what, 3 minutes long? Using an animatronic baby does not excuse that, and the lack of mess.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

TOMORROW ... disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness.

the name of the boat didn't make me cringe that way but calling the kid(s) "Dylan" sort of did

Bob will save us all!

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

wishing I was watching La Jetee

God you're a pretentious prick.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you think that's pretentious?

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

12 Monkeys was meh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Better than Hostel though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

what game Alex was playing

grid wars 2

http://www.universo-nintendo.com/files/Imagenes/Grid_Wars2.jpg

― max (maxreax), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Preferring anything in French to anything with Bruce Willis = pretentious to the incisive barometer of fluxhead (Willis was good too).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Willis isn't my problem with 12 Monkeys. It's EVERYONE else!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well not everyone. Christopher Plummer and David Morse are good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

the tone that persists for the first few scenes after that first explosion really impressed me. i almost wish julianne moore didn't bring it up.

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

The game being played was giving me hardcore flashbacks to playing Hyperframe. (Which, incidentally, rules.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

that would be pretty awesome.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking "Intelligent Qube"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Also Dan, re: Julianne Moore as immigrant/refugee -- I actually didn't notice that many Germans getting packed off, I guess, and certainly no Americans, and she was married to an Englishman at one point, immigration-wise, and was an activist long before any of this got started, etc.: I guess I'm just saying it was another of those things that's not absolutely spelled out and pinned down. (There's a nice complicated mix on both sides, with both foreign and apparently native Fish, and a couple refugees who seem as British as anyone, which does a good job of suggesting some massive, realistic complex of deportation laws/programs.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering why they are called the Fish. it made me think of the early Christian fish symbol but other than that I wasn't sure.

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

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