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I found myself saying "yon" (for "that") the other day. Just slipped out.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

"Och aye the noo" = "Oh yes, just now"

I once heard of a guy at Celtic Park saying "aw naw er Annoni on an aw noo" which is brilliant if you say it quickly.

(trans: Oh no! There's Annoni* on as well now)
(*Enrico Annoni: pish Italian defender who was once Celtic's highest earner)

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

My favourite is "Ah'm urnae" - which seems to translate as "I am are not"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

As I understand it, it means you fancy yourself a bit.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

O. M. G.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/language/scots/index.htm

It's pure mad n'at huvvin yer ain pairliment n'at ay?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

That is the best thing I've ever seen!

Even better than "Glaswegian Windoos" or whatever it was called.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was a piss take at first.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

It is aften yaisefu tae ken aboot the Pairlament an whit is gaun on in it afore ye get involved or hae yer say. There sindry weys tae get mair speirins anent the Pairlament or oniething in this leaflet.

That makes the linguist in me roll over on my back and waggle my arms and legs in the air with joy!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

It's a bit too close to Chewin' The Fat's "Translated for the Neds" sketches for my liking.

Awright troops!

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Well, I did actually read one of their documents ... and the first one that was translated was all about "how to increase communication in minority languages"

(And FWIW, Scots is not just a "Translated for Neds" type dialect - it is actually a separate language, related to Old English/Anglo Saxon but with more Scandinavian influence and less Norman.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

aye right

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Or Report on Inquiry intil the role o educational and cultural policy in uphaudin and bringin oot Gaelic, Scots and minority leids in Scotland (Volume 1) as they would have it.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

If that's not a dialect I don't know what is.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Just a reminder to you chaps that it's Mr.Fiendish's 30th birthday do tomorrow at Mono from 8pm.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

That's like saying that Modern English is a dialect of Anglo Saxon!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Why has ILX got so Scottish lately, anyway?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

It's where it it's at.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

What am I talking about? I need to go home.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Where is home?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

The line between a language and a dialect is pretty blurry. Where it's blurry, I think what gets called what has as much to do with politics as linguistics. But then, I don't know anything about it.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

It is blurry and think you have to leave it to the speakers, really. If they call it a separate language then it's a separate language. It helps if they have their own nation (see Norway). I read about this once. I think Kate has read more.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Well according to Wikipedia it's officially recognised as a language, even though that is controversial.

There's more linguistic, grammatical and vocabulary evidence - as well as historical - that English and Scots are different languages than, say, Swedish and Norwegian.

x-post, I am such a linguistic pedant, sigh.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

But people who have an interest in forging an ethnicity are going to call what they speak a language, because there's a bit of a value judgement in the distinction between 'language' and 'dialect'. 'Language' is more important. If they've got their own language, why shouldn't they have their own state? etc.

x-post

I can't see any real grammatical difference at all, based on the page linked to above. It's just spelling and the odd bit of vocabulary.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

"A language is a dialect that has its own navy" I once read in a Richard Rorty book, but I think he was quoting someone else.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Scots was originally the language of an independent nation: it was spoken at court, used in legal documents etc and was the language of educated people in Scotland, used by poets and dramatists like Dunbar, Henryson and Sir David Lyndsey. It would have been no truer to say that it was a dialect of the English used at the English court than it would have been to say that English was a dialect of Scots.

― frankiemachine, Friday, 29 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Yes, all that is true. But why the but? Let them!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

(The source of that quote is Yiddish linguist Max Weinreich, who said, "A shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un a flot")

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I talk a load of old shite. Is that a language or a dialect?

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Cock is a language. A load of old shite is a dialect of it.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Alba: Because language can be used to forge an ethnic identity and lead to separatism and rivalry. Of course, if you refuse to let groups speak their own language then that's the best way to make them all militant about it and want to bomb you. So, politically it's a good idea to allow people to speak however they like.

x-post: Saying that Scots is a dialect of English kind of sounds like "well English was here first and the Scots just starting speaking it all weird". Of course, I don't think that.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Because language can be used to forge an ethnic identity and lead to separatism and rivalry

Yes. Reading Tore Janson's book about language Speak, one of the things that struck me was how important this aspect is, how when nation/empire building, stamping out regional dialects/languages in a draconian way often does achieve its aim, even in the long-term. Without it, countries do fail to gel as nations. I often get all confused about where my sympathies lie when it comes to nationalism.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I need to read some books. I am going to put that one on my Amazon wishlist.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I'll lend you it!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Switzerland has gelled pretty effectively!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

There's always Switzerland.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, even better. Thanks Alba.

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Swiss people do have nice hair.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Please, let's remain neutral.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I still dearly love Grant Morrison.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

How did that kill the thread? He's one of the best! Born and bred in Glasgow!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

we're all asleep in glasgow, thassall

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 29 July 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Responding to threads in your sleep is the 14th sign of ilx dependency dahlin.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

What are the 13 before that?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

1. Pressing refresh on the new answers page so frequently that sometimes it doesn't even change
2. Checking your favourite current threads before you have breakfast (me, now).
3. Cancelling shutting down your pc at the last minute just so you can have one quick look at new answers.
4. Emailing friends about ongoing threads even though you know they're reading it anyway.
5. ILX Dreams.
6. Getting annoyed when your idea of a good thread dies.
7. Bumping said tread because you can't accept no-one else is interested.
8. Bookmarking more than three boards (I have music, everything and books so I think I'm ok).
9. Thinking about threads on your way home from work, wondering how they're progressing.
10. Composing messages in your head when you're nowhere near a computer.
11. Using ilxisms in everyday conversation, to the bafflement of your friends and family.
12. Thinking of yourself/introducing yourself as your screenname.
13. KNowing the 14 signs of ilx dependency.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

2. That is me now, too! I have just got myself a small handful of nuts to keep me going.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm eating Starburst Jooster Jelly Beans, cinema leftovers. The popcorn's inedible :-((

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

2. That's me too, right now!

You forgot the one about coming in pissed and switching on your PC first before even considering the kettle/toaster.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I think I do several of those: 1,2,5,6,7,10 and 11. Oh, and I think I've probably introduced myself as my screen-name too at some point.

(when I met Ned, I introduced myself by asking him if he had a blue tie. He quickly realised it was me.)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I think Camera Obscura should probably be mentioned somewhere on this thread.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

My favourite Scottish word = oos (it means fluff)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

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