Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

i mean like, you would count carling cup/worthington cup/coca cola cup etc to be the same thing but then you would only be "kind of" correct to count them all under "league cup"?

Sorry ken, not taking a pop. All those cups are definitely the same thing too i.e. very, very prestigious.

(am I being unusually aggressive without realising it today? I got into a row with a guy on the train home, which is also unusual)

no worries man! i am just being more defensive than usual today i think.

shit guys!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17521225
shearer to be england manager then

iirc last season neil warnock (and some of the qpr fanbase still feeling robbed by liverpool in 76) attached special sentiment to the fact that the team were lifting the original football league division one trophy, glowing as it did with real proper history

Oh yeah, I can feel that. If the EPL had the slightest bit of class they'd've made sure that trophy still went to their champions.

There isn't even *an* EPL trophy, just replicas in case of last-day drama, motd wanting a centrepiece for their set, etc.

i mean like, you would count carling cup/worthington cup/coca cola cup etc to be the same thing but then you would only be "kind of" correct to count them all under "league cup"?

― Rosie 47 (ken c), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:12 (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wait what

from F365 interview with Rory Smith. Guess Mata really is one of the nicer premier league footballers

A few one word/namers now - nicest footballer you've ever interviewed?

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but footballers are mostly a lot nicer than you expect, particularly the foreign ones. Juan Mata is a really good lad, so are Alejandro Faurlin and Phil Neville and Milan Jovanovic was the most effusive. He seemed to enjoy the experience. He hugged me at the end. The South Americans at Liverpool are lovely - Maxi, Lucas and even Suarez - but the one I got on best with was probably Raul Meireles. You'd want to be mates with Raul Meireles.

i dont think i could regularly hang out with meireles's hair

he'd end up punching me after a 1000 shit jokes

and even Suarez

haha

easy for a guy called rory to say i guess

so there's more to the muamba tweet sentence than's being reported, right? seeing as the sentencing was for incitement to racial hatred.

don't think so. Like what?

like i dunno, something that could be categorised as incitement to racial hatred, i guess?

Implying Muamba has AIDS etc. could probably fall under that. I honestly don't know what else you think he could have been up to

ah, ysee that is definitely more than 'lol muamba dead', which is what i was asking

ah right, the full tweets are on youtube if you search his name

no thanks, question answered and see ya in 56 asshole

I dunno what the guy said, but i think getting locked up, and possibly raped for 56 months, for typing some keys on a social media site is a bit harsh. I also think that footballers salaries afford them to suck up racist bigot couch potatoes opinions, and after all if there were no racist bigot couch potatoes who'd support football?....lol

^

all those cups are the League Cup

56 months would be harsh but he was jailed for 56 days. He'll be out this time next month. It was probably for the torrent of racist abuse he levelled at other Twitter users, not just whatever he said about Muamba.

^ yes and ^^ yes

xpost No, I don't recall any of the QPR fans being that fussed about the actual trophy the club won. We were just happy to have won something, anything. That said, it is the prettiest trophy in English football.

xxpost And, yes, they're all the League Cup, not "kind of" the League Cup.

xxxpost The thing that annoys English football fans is the assumption that top division history began with the Premier League. It is only football commentators and pundits who talk of people being "the top scorer in Premier League history" and so on. The rest of us treat it as a continuum, sullied by the money-grubbing of the past 20 years.

OTFM

the "Premier League" is so tainted with Sky hype and rewrites of history, a magical world where there have only ever been 4 or 5 clubs in the country that have won anything or are worth giving a shit about.

yeah i was really confused by ken bringing up the league cup. the only thing i could think of is that in the past 5 years it has lost its prestige.

top scorer in epl history is kinda different but does grate a little at times, but hey i'm 30 so count em back i'm not v bothered.

Top scorer in EPL history isn't different. Sorry Nat Lofthouse, your goals don't matter anymore - we've got Jermaine Defoe's to count now, and they count double because they were on Sky Super Sunday! What about players whose careers spanned both incarnations? Do you really think they divide their goals into PL goals and D1 goals?

I bet Shearer does

you're thinking of 'league goals' imo

I like this anti-'EPL' turn, a futile angry mob I can really get behind and feel part of

i saw the first goal in EPL history (brian deane vs manchester united)

Did it blow your mind?

I am fairly sure no one ever called it EPL till, say, 5 years ago -- certainly never at all in the 1990s -- this was really a knock-on from the SPL surely.

I never got an answer to my question as to whether Liverpool fans would trade a European Cup for a PL title. I honestly think in their heart of hearts most would

i think EPL is a bit less presumptuous than the old "the Premier League" thing

Starting Scottish records from the beginnings of the SPL is even worse imo. I didn't even realise there was supposed to have been a break in the continuum until Kris Boyd started getting lauded for being all-time capocannoniere.

EPL comes from US usage I think, at least that's where I adopted it from.

xxxxp the moment it happened, i knew football would never be the same again, yes

no one says EPL in real life

i have lost my shit before at how much i hate 'EPL'.

whether Liverpool fans would trade a European Cup for a PL title

No chance, if for no other reason than that the five big cups is where the glory really comes from. Anyone can win 18 or so titles these days.

I was wondering about trophy exchange rates at the weekend, actually, when I spotted Rangers' five stars above the badge, as opposed to Celtic's one. That doesn't seem like proper convertibility to me.

that's how much they paid in millions for each goal

i honestly would rather win the league than the European Cup every single time. Probably a bit parochial of me but there you go

nah i think the league is a bigger deal. European Cup devalued since they let non-champions play

for one thing the league is the hardest title to win

atm i'd pick arsenal winning the european cup over the league. but thats more because of having to go through lots of european final heartbreak with v. little payoff in my life. i've already seen us win the league a handful of times.

a thing that people do say, in interviews: THE BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE

funny thing is that Barclays were the first D1 sponsors, I think, back in 1987, so in my mind there is something relatively traditional and OK-ish about this compared to some possibilities

See, I think the devaluing's gone the other way. Top four's become almost as big a thing as a title.

well yeah, it's different for Arsenal. It'd be a pretty big deal for Liverpool to put a dent in that 100 year gap (give or take) since they last won the title