Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

lol 7 kids books out of 10

COOL!

quick poll, fellas: would you equate championships in the old First Division to Premiership championships? like, would you say Aston Villa are "7 time Premier League champions?"

I'm trying to school some uppity Americans on this

well, no. You would say they've won seven league titles

you wouldn't say they are 7 time premier league champions, but they are kind of equivalent.

people on tv might say "champions in the top division 7 times?"

7 time league champions. it is just a diff. name for the same thing, which is the league/top division

A hoy hoy otm, 'kind of' equivalent my arse.

when utd knocked liverpool off teh perch, they were 19 time league champs last summer. no-one said 10 time premiership champions, 9 time first division champions or whatever it is.

might be different somewhere like germany, where i'm not sure how they talk about pre-bundesliga football. (their modern format started in the 60s).

Though having said that, I could be persuaded that EPL titles are the ones that don't count.

Yeah, I have slight problems with Italy, where the first champs were from a four-team invitation-only round-robin iirc. But that'd deprive us of some really cool winners, so national champs in whatever guise I say.

yeah "league champions" is what I was trying to say, but most of you would equate 1st Div w/ EPL as far as prestige etc? I kind of assumed there was a difference

No, exactly the same. It was the same clubs & same format, the name doesn't matter.

thx

tell you what though, Liverpool would love to get their hands on the PL trophy. Even just the once.

snap

i bet they'd give up at least one European Cup

lol

Alright guys chillax! i only said "kind of" because you wouldn't say liverpool won Premier League 18 times. because they have won it 0 times.

would "league champions" be misleading because then you could also count league 2 champions for example?

oh xposts

i mean like, you would count carling cup/worthington cup/coca cola cup etc to be the same thing but then you would only be "kind of" correct to count them all under "league cup"?

Sorry ken, not taking a pop. All those cups are definitely the same thing too i.e. very, very prestigious.

(am I being unusually aggressive without realising it today? I got into a row with a guy on the train home, which is also unusual)

no worries man! i am just being more defensive than usual today i think.

shit guys!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17521225
shearer to be england manager then

iirc last season neil warnock (and some of the qpr fanbase still feeling robbed by liverpool in 76) attached special sentiment to the fact that the team were lifting the original football league division one trophy, glowing as it did with real proper history

Oh yeah, I can feel that. If the EPL had the slightest bit of class they'd've made sure that trophy still went to their champions.

There isn't even *an* EPL trophy, just replicas in case of last-day drama, motd wanting a centrepiece for their set, etc.

i mean like, you would count carling cup/worthington cup/coca cola cup etc to be the same thing but then you would only be "kind of" correct to count them all under "league cup"?

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wait what

from F365 interview with Rory Smith. Guess Mata really is one of the nicer premier league footballers

A few one word/namers now - nicest footballer you've ever interviewed?

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but footballers are mostly a lot nicer than you expect, particularly the foreign ones. Juan Mata is a really good lad, so are Alejandro Faurlin and Phil Neville and Milan Jovanovic was the most effusive. He seemed to enjoy the experience. He hugged me at the end. The South Americans at Liverpool are lovely - Maxi, Lucas and even Suarez - but the one I got on best with was probably Raul Meireles. You'd want to be mates with Raul Meireles.

i dont think i could regularly hang out with meireles's hair

he'd end up punching me after a 1000 shit jokes

and even Suarez

haha

easy for a guy called rory to say i guess

so there's more to the muamba tweet sentence than's being reported, right? seeing as the sentencing was for incitement to racial hatred.

don't think so. Like what?

like i dunno, something that could be categorised as incitement to racial hatred, i guess?

Implying Muamba has AIDS etc. could probably fall under that. I honestly don't know what else you think he could have been up to

ah, ysee that is definitely more than 'lol muamba dead', which is what i was asking

ah right, the full tweets are on youtube if you search his name

no thanks, question answered and see ya in 56 asshole

I dunno what the guy said, but i think getting locked up, and possibly raped for 56 months, for typing some keys on a social media site is a bit harsh. I also think that footballers salaries afford them to suck up racist bigot couch potatoes opinions, and after all if there were no racist bigot couch potatoes who'd support football?....lol

^

all those cups are the League Cup

56 months would be harsh but he was jailed for 56 days. He'll be out this time next month. It was probably for the torrent of racist abuse he levelled at other Twitter users, not just whatever he said about Muamba.

^ yes and ^^ yes

xpost No, I don't recall any of the QPR fans being that fussed about the actual trophy the club won. We were just happy to have won something, anything. That said, it is the prettiest trophy in English football.

xxpost And, yes, they're all the League Cup, not "kind of" the League Cup.

xxxpost The thing that annoys English football fans is the assumption that top division history began with the Premier League. It is only football commentators and pundits who talk of people being "the top scorer in Premier League history" and so on. The rest of us treat it as a continuum, sullied by the money-grubbing of the past 20 years.

OTFM

the "Premier League" is so tainted with Sky hype and rewrites of history, a magical world where there have only ever been 4 or 5 clubs in the country that have won anything or are worth giving a shit about.

yeah i was really confused by ken bringing up the league cup. the only thing i could think of is that in the past 5 years it has lost its prestige.

top scorer in epl history is kinda different but does grate a little at times, but hey i'm 30 so count em back i'm not v bothered.

Top scorer in EPL history isn't different. Sorry Nat Lofthouse, your goals don't matter anymore - we've got Jermaine Defoe's to count now, and they count double because they were on Sky Super Sunday! What about players whose careers spanned both incarnations? Do you really think they divide their goals into PL goals and D1 goals?

I bet Shearer does

you're thinking of 'league goals' imo