revoke their entertainment privileges imo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Rue and Thresh's skin is described not even simply as "brown", but "dark brown." And Cinna is described as brown, too, IIRC.
― free societies must let drunken gay Texans have sex (Je55e), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just imagining the children of the corn fantasy world which these readers must be imagining when they read the books, also giving the gasface towards the people who are saying the movie should have "stuck to the book"
― dayo, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
xp I don't think his skin is described -- only that he has green eyes, brown hair, and gold eyeliner.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
p sure 90% of the readers just imagined tim gunn
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Or that Tom guy from Queer Eye
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPao2yjRk4
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^ vid not racist
― Aimless, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
God fucking dammit that hunger games thing is so depressing to me
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
you guys, that has been going on for months since the casting was first announced
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
can't speak for anybody else but I'm p. sure I've never clicked through to any article whose title was any variant of "______ cast to play role of ________" - like, even if I give a shit, all my questions will have been answered by the time I'm done reading the article's title
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah in any case this is fucking depressing stuff
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
yes, but its kind of infuriating that jezebel and other places are stirring the shit up AGAIN. like, it was maybe noteworthy the first time, but STOP giving voice to these morons.
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
eh, I sort of get that, but in the wake of the Treyvon Martin shooting I don't think it's actually a bad idea to point out exactly how baseline racist US society is
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
fair point, i suppose
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
I agree, in theory, but i'm not sure how well posting the tweets of thirteen-year-old morons does that. Millions of people will have read the books or seen the film, some of them are going to be racist jackasses. It's difficult to ascertain how large a percentage they form.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
how are jezebel and other places the ones stirring up shit, rather than the people actually saying the shit
"let's just ignore it and it'll go away" has proven to be a p ineffective strategy
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Why do you have to keep telling me that people think racist things? If we just talked less about it, it'd go away!
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
most fucked up part are the ppl who think that Rue not being white ruins the idea of the character, aka a shy, quiet, innocent naif type. bc what? black ppl can't be those things?????
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I agree w/ DJP and zachlyon - "it's 2012 and racism is fixed!" is a p common argument that needs to be shot down
― dayo, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
american teens betrayed, deceived, tricked into caring about fictional black people
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
I blame liberal hollyweird
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
lenny kravitz is in this fucking thing? lol.it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case. like, what's the goddamn point? they don't match the images in your head?book is sitting by my bed, it is pretty dire 20 pages in.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
I am perfectly happy with Lenny Kravitz being in movies and not inflicting his music on us anymore.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
xp i have learnt recently that despite the truism that the book is always better than the movie, this is actually not always the case. cf game of thrones.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
i am learning that by reading goThrones now! i am like three unnecessary paragraphs away from just jumping to book two
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I agree w/zachlyon that Kravitz was an inspired choice!
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
in the wake of the Treyvon Martin shooting I don't think it's actually a bad idea to point out exactly how baseline racist US society is
OTMFM
― One of my faverit moive ever!!!! XD (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
xxp for GoT i recommend a) just watching the tv show b) if you must read ahead, read the wiki summaries of the books
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
hm. i think i'm gonna wait to watch season 2 until it's all on the tivo. That worked well for season 1, might as well.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case. like, what's the goddamn point? they don't match the images in your head?
... yeah, that's kind of the point there, yeah.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
exactly - for example, seeing Ford Prefect portrayed by Mos Def was kind of a shock, since I remembered the book describing him as a tall, proper Englishman, sort of the antithesis of cool
obviously it all matters very little, though I do think the Asian community complaining about the movie 21 had a point, since in that case their ethnicity actually did matter in the story
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
seems like kind of a dumb point! don't go see the movie if you want to see things the way you see them!
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
There's this thing, right, called Harry Potter...
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Actually that's not fair, but there's definitely this thing called Lord of the Rings.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
here's a dirty little secret: i never liked the lotr gollum design, looked nothing like what I thought he should be
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
just to head off another 40 posts of people missing the point, the problem isn't people getting irritated at characters in a movie based on a book not looking like how they imagined them (because this will happen in every movie based on a book) but people thinking that a character being black when they didn't expect them to be black ruined the movie because they are huge racists
― future worm food (n/a), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
oh well in that case fuck em
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case
not very weird that readers project their own race onto (sparely described) characters as a means of identifying w/ them, i guess? but it is sad and stupid that race is a commonly accepted shorthand for character types / traits. america, fwiw.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
america, fwiw.
not much, apparently
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
article drops a nice spoiler btw
― bnw, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
just to head off another 40 posts of people missing the point
No no this is shocking, I was totally unaware that was what was going on here.
xpost - except maybe forks and elmo are actually unaware? - it's not that people project their race onto generic fictional characters which sucks but is probably not going anywhere any time soon, it's the twin poles of "I overlooked that Thresh was black" and "I really liked Cinna so he can't be black", and especially their intersection in "But Rue is supposed to be nice and good and so I will ignore and indeed agrily deny that she's explicitly not white in the book"
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
that's basically what elmo is saying
― future worm food (n/a), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
as i read him anyways
not to be faux naive but the idea of somebody rejecting a fictional character based on their skin color is just too ludicrous for me to take seriously
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
this would all be easier if we could see their birth certificates
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think this nails it. It's not the projection, it's the rage and betrayal. It's fucking awful, really.
― carl agatha, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
All these people are basically saying is that they can't identify with -- or sympathize with or be emotionally involved with -- a black character like they could with a white character -- even when they are the SAME fucking character portrayed in two different media. I think that's pretty racist.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, putting aside that they willfully disregarded the description of the character's race to begin with
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
Even if these are like 12-14 year olds tweeting this shit, that's a fine age at which to be horrifically shamed about saying asshole racist stuff.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link